[Vision2020] Re: Wayne's Analysis of Criminal Innocence

Pat Kraut pkraut at moscow.com
Tue Dec 27 17:42:04 PST 2005 

Yes, absolutely!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>
To: <pkraut at moscow.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: Wayne's Analysis of Criminal Innocence


Pat, his lawyers and the NAACP or ACLU.


>From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
>To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: Wayne's Analysis of Criminal Innocence
>Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:40:13 -0800
>
>Opps, I thought I answered the one that was addressed to me. Sorry.
>Some may wonder of my belief that the DN got the story right when I have
>made some strong remarks about the press. Your right I do not trust many of
>the press but I know Steve McClure and have talked to local officers and
>other authorities about this and know that the story is as stated. This is
>a
>local issue that I can check up on myself and get the unvarnished story. I
>only wonder now what excuse Mubita's lawyer will come up with to try and
>get
>him off.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>
>To: <pkraut at moscow.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 12:42 AM
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: Wayne's Analysis of Criminal Innocence
>
>
>Pat,
>
>what you said is true, however, I was addressing Ted Moffet and his
>thoughts
>towards Kanay. If you feel this was addressed towards you, it was not. I
>hope you don't feel I was attacking your views.
>
>
> >From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
> >To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: Wayne's Analysis of Criminal Innocence
> >Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 22:06:45 -0800
> >
> >I have not said the 'gossip' I have heard and have not heard it from
>anyone
> >else on this site. I have read the story just as it is known from the
> >personal experience of some and the news reports from several locations.
>A
> >rehash of the news is not gossip. Hearing from someone the 'I heard' is
> >gossip and I have heard but will not repeat it on this site or anywhere
> >else! He will get as fair a trial as anyone else in Moscow.
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>
> >To: <Tbertruss at aol.com>; <CJs at Turbonet.com>; <chasuk at gmail.com>;
> ><vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 9:20 PM
> >Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Re: Wayne's Analysis of Criminal Innocence
> >
> >
> >Ted,
> >
> >You wrote,
> >There is no doubt that too much discussion of the certain guilt of an
> >accused
> > >facing charges can hamper the legal system in assuring a fair trial.
> > >Prosecutors and judges can feel pressure from the public to make
> >decisions
> > >based on a
> > >kind of mob frenzy, rather than the guide of lady justice blindfolded
> > >holding
> > >the scales (fairness) and sword (the power of the legal system).
> >Unbiased
> > >jurors can be hard to find when the press and media and even list
>serves
> > >create
> > >a bias in huge numbers of people regarding a specific criminal case.
> > >Potential jurors need to state honestly that they can listen to the
> > >evidence with an
> > >open mind in a trial.
> >
> >           I agree, but wouldn't you say that this will happen with any
> >publised trail. With that being, I would have to figure that Mubata's
> >lawyers would certainly ask for jurors from elsewhere. Elsewhere meaning
> >that "they" haven't heard of all of the gossip going on in vision 2020.
> >Call
> >me crazy.
> >
> >
> > >From: Tbertruss at aol.com
> > >To: CJs at Turbonet.com, chasuk at gmail.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >Subject: [Vision2020] Re: Wayne's Analysis of Criminal Innocence
> > >Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:13:46 EST
> > >
> > >
> > >Shelley wrote:
> > >
> > >I STRONGLY believe Mubita's name and photo need
> > >to be out there to notify the possible victims THEY NEED TO BE TESTED.
> > >
> > >I agree.
> > >
> > >Shelley wrote:
> > >
> > >Do you fully understand HIV?
> > >
> > >I have posted detailed information to the Vision2020 list regarding
> > >scientific and statistical information on HIV/AIDS, with references.
> > >Perhaps you
> > >missed these posts?
> > >
> > >Shelley wrote:
> > >
> > >Regarding face to face counseling, if you would have done your homework
> > >before posting such ridiculous statements you would have known it was a
> > >counselor" that reported to the police to do a "well check" regarding
> > >Mubita
> > >possible being suicidal.
> > >
> > >My comments regarding Mubita's full understanding of what it means to
>be
> > >HIV
> > >positive were meant for speculation only, since of course I do not have
> > >access
> > >to all the facts in this case, nor do I think all the facts have been
> > >discovered yet, or made public.
> > >
> > >You may have info that leads you to draw definite conclusions on the
> >Mubita
> > >case, but one of my main points was that now that Mubita is not a
>threat
> >to
> > >the
> > >public, let the criminal justice system do its work to determine
>Mubita's
> > >innocence or guilt.
> > >
> > >On that note, perhaps you'd like to respond to the following points
>from
> > >the
> > >same post you answered?
> > >
> > >If we trust our legal system, why not respect the very important
> >principle
> > >of
> > >innocent until proven guilty, and let the system do its job?
> > >
> > >There is no doubt that too much discussion of the certain guilt of an
> > >accused
> > >facing charges can hamper the legal system in assuring a fair trial.
> > >Prosecutors and judges can feel pressure from the public to make
> >decisions
> > >based on a
> > >kind of mob frenzy, rather than the guide of lady justice blindfolded
> > >holding
> > >the scales (fairness) and sword (the power of the legal system).
>Unbiased
> > >jurors can be hard to find when the press and media and even list
>serves
> > >create
> > >a bias in huge numbers of people regarding a specific criminal case.
> > >Potential jurors need to state honestly that they can listen to the
> > >evidence with an
> > >open mind in a trial.
> > >
> > >Ted Moffett
> >
> >
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