[Vision2020] It is a matter of trust?

[Pat Kraut]

Less important? No, but certainly as important. Certainly more important
than Andreas thinks they are. At this point we aren't sure that the abuse
happened to innocents. Just because the Red Cross has said it does not make
it so. I am getting so that I don't believe anyone or any group that I used
to have faith in. No abuse is good but it is a war zone and should be
treated that way by all involved. Including a group holding a wedding and
shooting anything in the air or anywhere else. They should know better.
Freedom is not free it requires sacrifice on all sides so they could pass on
a 'traditional' shooting at this time.
PK
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carl Westberg" <carlwestberg846@hotmail.com>
To: <vision2020@moscow.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 7:16 AM
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] It is a matter of trust?


> Pat, if you're going to complain about people not responding to a
question.
> I posed a question to you yesterday regarding abuse of innocent prisoners.
> Given that the Red Cross reports 70 to 90 percent of Iraqi detainees were
> mistakenly arrested, one must conclude that the large majority of abused
> prisoners are guilty of nothing.  I asked you yesterday if the lives of
> these people are less important than the lives of Americans.  Are they?  I
> think Keely answered your question about John Kerry quite well.
>
>
>
>                                          Carl Westberg Jr.
>
>
> >From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut@moscow.com>
> >To: "vision2020" <vision2020@moscow.com>
> >Subject: [Vision2020] It is a matter of trust?
> >Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 22:30:20 -0700
> >
> >It seems to me that lately so many of the publications that we had
respect
> >for have fallen on their swords. Who and what are we to believe?
> >I have also heard that Catholics all have sex with the priest in the
> >confessional...but I have no evidence of it myself. It curious to me that
> >every email that responded to this completely ignored the part about
Kerry
> >and the other politicians and their voting records that are opposite of
the
> >tenets of the church. Thats what my email was really about.
> >Have a great day
> >PK
> >
> >  ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: Ron Force
> >   To: Vision2020 Moscow
> >   Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 10:52 AM
> >   Subject: RE: [Vision2020] As if we needed any more . . .
> >
> >
> >   It's surprising that the Economist got caught reprinting bogus
> >information from the Internet without fact checking.  The original
> >assertion been traced back to a posting to rec.org.mensa.   The book
cited
> >as containing the IQ data, IQ and the Wealth of Nations, doesn't. The
> >original author won't answer inquiries.
> >
> >   When we're asked for statistical data at the UI Library, one of the
> >first things we think is "Who would compile it, and where would it be
> >published?".
> >
> >   IQ tests were routinely given to military recruits up through WW2, but
I
> >don't know of any agency or institution that uses them anymore. Public
> >schools don't use them either.  Lacking any obvious source for the data
> >immediately raises a red flag. In this case, skepticism is warranted.
> >
> >   More information at: http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/
> >
> >   **********************************************
> >   Ron Force         Moscow ID USA
> >
> >   rforce@moscow.com
> >
> >   **********************************************
> >
> >     -----Original Message-----
> >     From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com
> >[mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]On Behalf Of Joan Opyr
> >     Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 6:59 PM
> >     To: Vision2020 Moscow
> >     Subject: [Vision2020] As if we needed any more . . .
> >
> >
> >     Proof that Democrats really are smarter than Republicans?  >From the
> >latest issue of The Economist, May 15th - 21st, 2004.  The original
source
> >of the data is "IQ and the Wealth of Nations," by Richard Lynn and Tatu
> >Vanhanen.
> >
> >     State -- Average IQ -- 2000 Presidential vote
>
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