[Vision2020] Re: another question for Doug Wilson

[Captain Kirker]

Visionheads,

Douglas wrote:
“Wisdom is identified by her children.”

Look at the rebels you produce, Wilson, and show us the wisdom. And don't 
forget that wisdom is pronounced “whiz-dumb.”

“So try this chronology on”:

Sorry, Wilson, this chronology doesn’t fit. Why must you pin it all on 
Brett? Why can’t you take responsibility? Why must you blame-shift your way 
through life?

“1. Brett Bauer begins to behave in such an atrocious, illegal, 
disrespectful, and unloving fashion that he ruins his credibility. . .”

According to the documentation provided on dougsplotch.hate, the Morton 
Street Casino was the brainchild of Ethan Atwood, not Brett Bauer. And if 
“Brett Bauer began to behave in such an atrocious, illegal, disrespectful, 
and unloving fashion that he ruined his credibility,” then why didn’t Wilson 
leave the 99 to find the one lost sheep. According to the documentation, 
Wilson cut him off, threw him overboard, called him a “snake,” and then paid 
him off —— despite his status as a member in good standing. And if 
“atrocious, illegal, disrespectful, and unloving” behavior is the litmus 
test for credibility, then planet earth has good reason to never believe 
another word that Douglas Wilson says.

“2. The elders of Christ Church find out about his gambling operation, shut 
it down, rebuke all the participants and culpable by-standers, negate all 
debts incurred, and require all parties to return the money they acquired. 
Are those the charges? Then we are as guilty as it gets. And you may confirm 
our ‘guilt’ in this matter by referring to the documents posted by our 
judicially-blinded adversaries.”

I read no charges on dougsplotch.hate. But one could deduce multiple charges 
of pastoral malfeasance from the facts on that site. And, yes, Wilson is as 
guilty as it gets. “Judicially-blinded adversaries”? Hmmmm. Since Wilson is 
his own worst enemy, does this mean that God has blinded him and, like 
Samson, “he wist not that the LORD had departed from him”?

“3. In the aftermath, Brett Bauer refuses to take money from one of guys 
attempting to return his winnings, while complaining at the same time that 
the church was robbing him through our mediation. In order to be above all 
reproach, our elders appropriated the money to ensure the gambling 
restitution (not debts) was paid to him, entered that transaction in our 
minutes as part of our COVER-UP. . .”

No documents on dougsplotch.hate indicate that the casino house refused 
money from anyone. But what does it matter? Pastor Douglas Wilson and the 
Christ Church elders assumed responsibility for all debts. Big deal if they 
entered their THEFT into the minutes. Does this relieve their guilt? NOT A 
CHANCE. It aggravates it. And it does not explain why they refused to tell 
the congregation about the PAYOFF.

“Brett was so concerned about the morality of the whole business that he 
went and cashed the check. We also instructed the young men concerned that 
they could donate money back to our deacons’ fund instead of paying 
restitution to Brett. And that money was donated to the deacons’ fund by the 
Atwoods.”

The casino house cashed a check cut by Christ Church. The Bible does not 
require casino houses to be above reproach; it requires that *elders* be 
above reproach. And did Atwood “donate” the money *before* he voted for the 
payoff, or after Wilson got caught?

“4. Brett suddenly acquires scruples about the tax status of his money that 
had been returned to him. But if I left my wallet on a restaurant table, and 
the waiter chased me down and gave it to me, he would not also owe me a 
W-2.”

No documentation on dougsplotch.hate shows Wilson chasing anyone down —— 
shoving people down, yes —— but not chasing them down. Try this analogy. A 
customer leaves his wallet on a restaurant table and Wilson chases him down, 
rubs his face in the gravel, and says, “Take that you snake.” Then he 
pitches a fit when John Q Public learns about it.

“5. Years later. . . .”

Does the passing of time remove guilt? No, Wilson, your splotch remains.

“And here I return to my first point. Bill, do your people have no shame? No 
sense of decency?”

Take a long hard look at hatesplotch.net, Wilson, and tell us if it fits in 
the category of “malevolence” or “benevolence.” Then ask yourself about 
decency and shame. Learn to blush, Bubba, because the Bible condemns those 
“whose glory is in their shame” (Phil. 3:19).

I am the Captain at your service.



>From: bill london <london@moscow.com>
>To: Douglas <dougwils@moscow.com>
>CC: credenda@moscow.com, Vision2020 <vision2020@moscow.com>
>Subject: [Vision2020] Re: another question for Doug Wilson
>Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 09:32:10 -0800
>
>D-
>Thanks for continuing to respond, as I continue to seek answers.
>
>First, I would like to reply to your question posed in the final paragraph 
>(in the message reprinted below): "Bill, do your people have no shame?"  
>Doug, the authors of the dougsplotch website are not my people.  I do not 
>know who created that website, and first learned of it when I read about it 
>on V2020.  And as to whether or not they have any shame, I can not answer, 
>but I do presume they are interested in learning the truth about this 
>casino incident, as I am.  Which brings me to these questions....
>
>As I read your last posting, you agreed that the 8 contentions below, which 
>I listed in my previous email as the core message of the dougsplotch 
>website, are accurate--with the exception of #3 and #4.
>1. in the fall of 2001, Christ Church member Ethan opens a casino in a 
>garage in Moscow, offering illegal gambling and alcohol. church member 
>Brett serves as bank
>2. in Dec of 2001, you found out about the casino and took the following 
>action: cancelled all debts, including $4,500 owed to the bank and tells 
>those who had won approximately $1000 from the bank to return it to the 
>bank.
>3. Ethan said the casino was OK'ed by another Christ Church officer.
>4. Casino players who won the $1000 refuse to return the money.
>5. Brett contacts you to get his $1000
>6. Christ Church elders take $1000 from church general funds and you give 
>it to Brett in June 2002
>7. Brett wants to declare the $1000 as income in reporting federal tax in 
>2003 (and wants IRS form 1099 from church to explain receipt).
>8. Christ Church refuses to supply IRS form 1099.
>
>Regarding #3:  You did not specifically refer to this allegation.  Is it 
>true that Ethan said that the casino was OK'ed by an officer of your 
>church?  Was it?  If so, by which officer?
>
>Regarding #4: You said Brett refused to accept money from one of the 
>several players who won money at the casino.  That contradicts the 
>information presented on the dougsplotch website.  That raises another 
>question: did Brett refuse money from all the players who were supposed to 
>repay their winnings?
>
>Thanks BL
>
>----------------------------- Douglas wrote:
>
>>
>>Dear Bill,
>>
>>Since you posted your question to v2020, I would appreciate it if you 
>>passed along my answer in its entirety. As I mentioned to you before, I 
>>have never before seen such a combination of malevolence and incompetence. 
>>And if it is not too late, you need to take great care because this deadly 
>>combination appears to be catching.
>>
>>An initial observation that I will repeat again at the close of this post 
>>is this. I strongly object to the necessity of having to answer charges 
>>manufactured out of private pastoral correspondence. As a pastor, 
>>counseling many people on many sensitive issues, you need to know that I 
>>now have to proceed on the supposition that at some point Bill London will 
>>be rifling through the exchanges, and posting questions about it on the 
>>Internet. I have to assume this because I know from direct experience that 
>>many of my adversaries in this town have no sense of propriety or 
>>proportion. And lest some anonymous poster take this as an invitation to 
>>lecture us on shame and shamelessness, let me point out that thus far he 
>>has been too craven and embarrassed to sign his own name. Shame, aye. 
>>Wisdom is identified by her children, and folly by her bastards.
>>
>>But since the wickedness is already done, my duty is to try to ameliorate 
>>the damage to those who are being wronged in this. So try this chronology 
>>on:
>>
>>1. Brett Bauer begins to behave in such an atrocious, illegal, 
>>disrespectful, and unloving fashion that he ruins his credibility as a 
>>witness to everyone in the world except for James Nelson and Thomas 
>>Bartnick.
>>
>>2. The elders of Christ Church find out about his gambling operation, shut 
>>it down, rebuke all the participants and culpable by-standers, negate all 
>>debts incurred, and require all parties to return the money they acquired. 
>>Are those the charges? Then we are as guilty as it gets. And you may 
>>confirm our "guilt" in this matter by referring to the documents posted by 
>>our judicially-blinded adversaries.
>>
>>3. In the aftermath, Brett Bauer refuses to take money from one of guys 
>>attempting to return his winnings, while complaining at the same time that 
>>the church was robbing him through our mediation. In order to be above all 
>>reproach, our elders appropriated the money to ensure the gambling 
>>restitution (not debts) was paid to him, entered that transaction in our 
>>minutes as part of our COVER-UP, I gave the money to Brett personally and 
>>warned him about the state of his soul, and Brett was so concerned about 
>>the morality of the whole business that he went and cashed the check. We 
>>also instructed the young men concerned that they could donate money back 
>>to our deacons' fund instead of paying restitution to Brett. And that 
>>money was donated to the deacons' fund by the Atwoods.
>>
>>4. Brett suddenly acquires scruples about the tax status of his money that 
>>had been returned to him. But if I left my wallet on a restaurant table, 
>>and the waiter chased me down and gave it to me, he would not also owe me 
>>a W-2.
>>
>>5. Years later, anti-gambling crusaders (e.g. anti-Christ Church, any 
>>stick is good enough to throw) show up, find that Brett Bauer has apparent 
>>credibility, and want answers now.
>>
>>And here I return to my first point. Bill, do your people have no shame? 
>>No sense of decency? "An ungodly man digs up evil, and it is on his lips 
>>like a burning fire" (Prov. 16:27).
>>
>>Douglas Wilson
>>
>>P.S. My wife and I count as one of the great privileges of our life our 
>>friendship with Roy and Bev Atwood, a godly and gracious Christian couple. 
>>And I am pleased that their son Ethan appears to be past the difficulties 
>>that beset him a few years ago. He certainly has been far more teachable 
>>and receptive of correction than all his critics put together.
>>
>>
>>
>>At 04:02 PM 2/29/2004 -0800, you wrote:
>>
>>>D-
>>>Thanks for your response to my question about the accuracy of the 
>>>information on the <www.dougsplotch.net> website.
>>>You suggested that I carefully read the documentation that is provided on 
>>>that site and then find the proof there that the charges are false.
>>>I did carefully read the documentation and did not find the proof that 
>>>the charges are false.  Maybe, if you were specific regarding the points 
>>>raised, we could get this sorted out.
>>>
>>>So, please specifically comment on the accuracy of the following points 
>>>made on the website:
>>>1. in the fall of 2001, Christ Church member Ethan opens a casino in a 
>>>garage in Moscow, offering illegal gambling and alcohol. church member 
>>>Brett serves as bank
>>>2. in Dec of 2001, you found out about the casino and took the following 
>>>action: cancelled all debts, including $4,500 owed to the bank and tells 
>>>those who had won approximately $1000 from the bank to return it to the 
>>>bank.
>>>3. Ethan said the casino was OK'ed by another Christ Church officer.
>>>4. Casino players who won the $1000 refuse to return the money.
>>>5. Brett contacts you to get his $1000
>>>6. Christ Church elders take $1000 from church general funds and you give 
>>>it to Brett in June 2002
>>>7. Brett wants to declare the $1000 as income in reporting federal tax in 
>>>2003 (and wants IRS form 1099 from church to explain receipt).
>>>8. Christ Church refuses to supply IRS form 1099.
>>>
>>>Please address the accuracy of these 8 points.  The documentation on that 
>>>website (emails and letters reproduced) indicates these 8 points are 
>>>accurate.
>>>BL
>>>
>>>
>>>Douglas wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Dear Bill,
>>>>
>>>>What you need to do is look at what the web site claims about us, and 
>>>>then carefully read the documentation they provide for it. They 
>>>>basically provide ample proof that their charges are false, so you 
>>>>really need nothing further from me. I have never before in my life seen 
>>>>such a combination of malevolence and incompetence. But thanks for 
>>>>checking with me.
>>>>
>>>>Cordially,
>>>>
>>>>Douglas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>At 09:39 AM 2/27/2004 -0800, you wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>D-
>>>>>I have visited the website <http://www.dougsplotch.net>.
>>>>>
>>>>>This website focuses on a series of incidents about an alleged casino 
>>>>>operation involving a number of  members of your church.  According to 
>>>>>the website documents, the casino story began in the fall of 2001, when 
>>>>>the son of the dean of New St. Andrews College opened a blackjack 
>>>>>casino in his garage.
>>>>>
>>>>>The website explains that the casino was a fully operational gaming 
>>>>>facility equipped with books, chips, wet bar, free alcohol, a secret 
>>>>>doorbell, casino trappings, credited money from the house, and a $100 
>>>>>betting-limit per hand. In addition to violating state laws, such as 
>>>>>dispensing alcohol to minors, the casino violated federal statutes, 
>>>>>including a handful of racketeering laws. The casino s patrons were all 
>>>>>members in good standing at Christ Church; many were students at New 
>>>>>St. Andrews.
>>>>>
>>>>>According to the documents provided on that website, when you 
>>>>>discovered the casino, you paid $1,000 from church funds to settle the 
>>>>>debts and protect the casino operators.
>>>>>
>>>>>Is the information provided on this website accurate?
>>>>>BL
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>.
>>>
>>
>>
>>.
>>
>
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