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DISPATCH FROM FT. DRUM, N.Y.
When the Army Won't Let Go
With stop-loss orders extending tours up to 18 months, GIs banking on going home
grapple with heading back to combat in Iraq instead.
By David Lamb
Times Staff Writer

June 17, 2004

FT. DRUM, N.Y. - Sgt. Todd Stoner and Spc. Cliff Ponciano had turned in their
gear and booked flights home. Their 4-year Army commitments had dwindled to the
last couple of days. As they recently began the paperwork to process out, their
return to civilian life was so close they could almost taste it.

But their unit, the 2nd Brigade of the 10th Mountain Division, was on alert for
possible duty in Iraq. Stoner and Ponciano had heard rumors circulating at Ft.
Drum: The Pentagon might not allow soldiers in outfits headed to Iraq and
Afghanistan to leave the Army, even if their enlistments were up.

"I was still pretty much hoping I could squeeze by," Stoner, 24, of Grafton,
N.H., said last week. His friend, Ponciano, 22, of Veneta, Ore., added: "We'd
already been in Kuwait once and Afghanistan twice. I'd done my time. I just
wanted to chill out a little before starting college in the fall."

On June 2, the Army announced a so-called stop-loss order that extended the
enlistments of thousands of soldiers by up to 18 months. Stoner and Ponciano
canceled their flights home, went to see their supply sergeant for a new
consignment of gear and prepared for another tour of combat duty.

"Todd was real depressed when he called to say the Army wasn't going to let him
out," Stoner's father, Ken, said. "He had plans for college, plans with his
girlfriend. But he'll go with the flow. What I don't understand, though, is if
we're so short of manpower in a volunteer Army that soldiers can't get
discharged, why don't we have a draft? I don't like a draft, but maybe we need
one."

The stop-loss order - which Sen. John F. Kerry of Massachusetts, the presumptive
Democratic presidential nominee, has referred to as a "back-door draft" -
prevents soldiers from leaving the Army if their unit is within 90 days of
deploying to Iraq or Afghanistan. Soldiers also must remain on active duty for
90 days after their unit completes its scheduled yearlong combat tour. The Army
Reserve and National Guard have been under a similar order since 2002.

Army commanders did not cite a manpower shortage as a reason for the order. They
said the rationale for delaying retirements and other discharges was to ensure
the Army had "cohesive, trained units going to war together." In the Vietnam
War, units often were more or less patched together with soldiers who did not
know one another.

"There's no doubt the Army is stretched thin today," said Loren Thompson, a
defense analyst at the Lexington Institute in Arlington, Va. "But I think the
real question the stop-loss order raises is, how voluntary is the all-volunteer
force? The whole notion behind an all-volunteer force is that people commit to a
certain tour of duty" - and both enlistees and the military honor the
commitment.

The U.S. military, facing a more tenacious insurgency than it had anticipated,
had planned to reduce troop strength in Iraq this summer to 105,000.

Instead, the Pentagon will increase it by 5,000 soldiers and Marines, to
145,000. In addition to the stop-loss order, the military has maintained its
ranks by tapping into the National Guard and Army Reserve and extending units in
Iraq beyond their yearlong tours.

"No, I don't really want to go back to Iraq for another tour," said Sgt. Joe
Berhosky, 21, of Poughkeepsie, N.Y., one of the Ft. Drum soldiers whose active
duty has been extended. "But if you have to do it, you just do it. My parents
were kind of bummed out that I couldn't get my discharge, but that's the way it
goes in the Army.

"I know getting extended isn't going to affect my performance in Iraq. I've got
guys under me looking up to me to provide leadership. You can't let them down,
and I won't. Any soldier in the brigade would tell you the same thing."

The 2nd Brigade of the 10th Mountain Division, which has suffered 23 dead, is in
final training to return to Iraq. A quick reaction force that - unlike its World
War II namesake - is trained to fight in all environments, it has been the
Army's most-deployed division since being reactivated in 1985. It was the first
unit to put conventional ground forces in Central Asia after the 9/11 terrorist
attacks.

"The reaction to the stop-loss order has been minimal," said Col. Mark Milley,
the brigade commander. "Sure, it was a hard pill to swallow for some kids. But
we are a nation at war, and it is a war that must be won. No maybes or ifs. My
soldiers understand that. No one got a bum deal, because being called to defend
your country isn't a bum deal. It's an honor.

"I was at a party recently, and kids from other units just back three or four
weeks from Iraq came up to me and said, 'Sir, I want to go back. I want to
finish the job. Can I go with you?' For every kid saying the stop-loss was
really painful, I've got 60 or 70 volunteering to go to Iraq. On top of that,
we've met our reenlistment quota every quarter since 9/11."

Milley said 168 soldiers in his brigade of about 3,000 troops were affected by
the stop-loss order. Commanders have the discretion to override the order and
let soldiers leave the Army on schedule for just cause - such as being accepted
to a military academy and some other universities, having a particular job lined
up, especially in the CIA or FBI, and for personal hardship. Miller and his
senior officers have allowed 43 of the 168 soldiers to return to civilian life.

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