[Vision2020] Can you follow this?-Stroschein
Art Deco aka W. Fox
deco@moscow.com
Fri, 4 Jun 2004 08:41:50 -0700
Donovan,
Thank you for your response.
Three points:
1. There are great sources of rock and similar material in Latah County not
located in a heavily populated Ag/Suburban area. [You might take a drive out to
the 4 Mile/Flannigan Creek Road area to see what the issues of impact are and
the number of people living in that area.] The more remote places should be
considered first for such potentially adverse uses. Residents in the area of
the now approved pit have millions of dollars invested in their lands, homes,
and lifestyles. Why seriously and adversely impact these people when there are
other viable solutions?
2. Have the commissioners really thought the safety issues through with care?
I know of several gravel pits in Latah County which are unfenced. This creates
a real hazard for children, for people unfamiliar with the terrain hiking in the
dark, and for the forgetful or intoxicated. News articles from across the
country sometimes tell of tragic accidents occurring in unfenced pits.
3. This particular gravel pit demonstrates in part the conflict between Paul
Kimmell as Commissioner and Paul Kimmell as Director of the Moscow Chamber of
Commerce. In the first role, he should be development neutral, weighing the
impact in accordance with the Comprehensive Plan and Zoning Ordinance on all
affected by any development proposal. In the second role, he is pro-growth and
pro-development by the very nature of his job. I think that having the same
person in both positions is not beneficial to Latah County citizens. Gravel
pits are necessary for growth. In his zeal to approve this one, Kimmell ignored
the adverse impacts on many in neighborhood and district. The commission
ignored the possibility of other viable proposals. I suspect those impacted
will let him know, if he stands for re-election.
The major reason for having Planning and Zoning is to mediate and to mitigate
land proposed land use problems. The goal is to design plans, regulations, and
decisions based on those to protect the property and lifestyle investments of
those affected. I think the commissioners did not make prudent use of their
discretion in this matter.
Wayne
Art Deco (Wayne Fox)
deco@moscow.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanarnold@hotmail.com>
To: <deco@moscow.com>; <vision2020@moscow.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 11:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Can you follow this?-Stroschein
| Wayne,
|
| Sometimes you say the smartest of things on here. Other times you say things
| like this:
|
| "Gravel pits can have horrible adverse impacts. Crushing and blasting
| operations can be heard for miles. Dust becomes a problem. Heavy,
| sometimes arrogantly reckless, large truck traffic will be increased.
| Blasting can affect the water table -- some might lose wells. [This
| happened with a small gravel pit in our neighborhood.]
| Safety issues are of concern. Small children can fall into pits if they are
| not correctly and carefully fenced, etc."
|
| Do you really think that the Commissioners are so dumb that they don't
| consider safety or water issues? Think they are anti-children. Come'on.
| Further, do you think we should shut down the roads running in front of all
| the homes with children. Children can get hurt ya' know. Ever live next to a
| stadium, highway, airport, bus station, high school, elementary school,
| preschool, horse track, train track? They are all noisy too, should we ban
| those as well?
|
| Obviously, nobody wants these in their back yard. But they got to be
| somewhere because we as a society need them. Just like all those states back
| east that complain about the Nuclear Waste in their state that THEY
| generated. We all live next to something we don't like.
|
| I for one think it takes courage to stand up against the public. No matter
| where you dig a gravel pit, someone is going to complain. You want to do
| something about it, don't drive on the roads. Don't use anything that
| requires gravel.
|
| If you find the location of gravel pit more important than if Doug Wilson
| maintains control in the community, that is your choice.
|
| Donovan J Arnold
|
|
|
| >From: "Art Deco aka W. Fox" <deco@moscow.com>
| >To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020@moscow.com>
| >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Can you follow this?-Stroschein
| >Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:19:01 -0700
| >
| >All Interested Voters,
| >
| >Tim has referenced a flashpoint issue for rural residents.
| >
| >Gravel pits can have horrible adverse impacts. Crushing and blasting
| >operations
| >can be heard for miles. Dust becomes a problem. Heavy, sometimes
| >arrogantly
| >reckless, large truck traffic will be increased. Blasting can affect the
| >water
| >table -- some might lose wells. [This happened with a small gravel pit in
| >our
| >neighborhood.]
| >
| >Safety issues are of concern. Small children can fall into pits if they
| >are not
| >correctly and carefully fenced, etc.
| >
| >An issue to consider when voting for commissioners:
| >
| >How sensitive will the candidates be of rural residents' concerns about
| >uses
| >with large-scale adverse impacts on those who choose to live in the rural
| >areas
| >in part for the peace and quiet it offers.
| >
| >The decision of the current board to approve the gravel pit operation at
| >issue
| >which affects many, many rural residents who have large investments in
| >their
| >property does not bode well. Perhaps it is time for the voters to educate
| >the
| >current commissioners. Unfortunately, the leader of the move to bless the
| >gravel pit at issue, Paul Kimmell, is not up for re-election.
| >
| >Wayne
| > ----- Original Message -----
| > From: Tim Lohrmann
| > To: vision2020@moscow.com
| > Cc: donovanarnold@hotmail.com
| > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 8:54 AM
| > Subject: [Vision2020] Can you follow this?-Stroschein
| >
| >
| > Donovan,
| > You write as if Stroschein is independent of the others just
| >because he happens to have a D by his name.
| > Not so.
| > And not on one of the most important votes of the year.
| > If you followed the extended controversy over the gravel pit
| >mine
| >permit not far from Potlatch, you'll know that there was an incredible
| >amount
| >opposition to this operation from the affected residents. There were an
| >unprecedented number of hours devoted to public hearingson the topic--I
| >understand some of them lasted until the early morning hours--because so
| >many
| >people wanted to speak out to urge the commissioners not to approve this
| >operation.
| > In other words it was clear that public sentiment was united
| >against
| >it.
| > Yet Stroschein voted with the other two to approve this
| >operation.
| > TL
| > Donovan Arnold <donovanarnold@hotmail.com> wrote:
| > From: "Donovan Arnold"
| > To: vision2020@moscow.com
| > Subject: [Vision2020] Can you follow this?
| > Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 21:23:36 -0700
| >
| > I wanted to know how many of you can follow this because people do not
| >seem
| > to be doing anything about it.
| >
| > Doug Wilson has a great deal of political power in Moscow and Latah
| >County.
| > Much of that power comes from Paul Kimmel. Kimmel is Chair of the
| >Board of
| > County Commissioners. This is the legislative, judicial, and executive
| > authority in the County. There are only three members of the board.
| >Paul
| > Kimmel (R), Tom S. Stroschein (D), and Jack Nelson (R). Jack Nelson
| >votes
| > whatever way Kimmel tells him to, giving him a 2-1 majority on the
| >board.
| > Kimmel takes his orders from Doug Wilson on how to vote on the board.
| >Thus
| > Doug Wilson controls the Latah Board of County Commissioners.
| >
| > Are you still following me?
| >
| > If Jack Nelson were to be replaced by someone that voted with
| >Stroschein,
| > Kimmel would be out of power, and thus so would Doug Wilson.
| >
| > Linda Pike is running against Nelson in the race. If Pike is elected
| >that
| > means Nelson is out of Office, Stroschein becomes the new Chair,
| >Kimmel
| > loses power on the Board, and thus Wilson loses control over the
| >County.
| >
| > Do you follow?
| >
| > So if you really want to reduce the power and influence Doug Wilson is
| > having I ask that you do your part;
| >
| > Either send money to: Linda Pike Election Campaign, 1026 E. 3rd,
| >Moscow, ID
| > 83843
| >
| > Any amount helps: $25, $50, $100, or as little or as much as you can
| >afford.
| >
| > Or, If you don't have money, you can also donate time, or put a yard
| >sign
| > out, write letters, make phone calls, etc. And at the very minimum you
| >can
| > forward this email to family, friends and neighbors so they can help
| >and
| > ! vote to remove Doug Wilson from power.
| >
| > Remove Wilson, Vote Pike, it is that simple.
| >
| > Respectfully,
| >
| > Donovan J Arnold
| >
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