[Vision2020] WOW

[Tom Hansen]

Mr. Stout -

To answer #1 below:

Plagiarism goes way beyond being a sin.  In a democratic society it is a
civil tort, in this case committed by Doug Wilson and Steve Wilkins.

Christ Church may forgive their sin, but I seriously doubt that R.W. Fogel
and/or S.L. Engerman (authors of "Time on the Cross") will forgive their
tort.

Donthcha think? (or dontcha think)

Another question:  Which of the states listed at http://www.mchsi.com are
you from (obviously not from anywhere around these parts)?  Huh, Bubba?

Tom Hansen
Not On The Palouse (or Monroe, Louisiana), Not Ever

-----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Alan Stout
Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 8:05 PM
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] WOW

Mr. Arnold et al,
  
   Actually I do not know that the charges you level against pastor
Wilson are true but for the moment I will address at least a couple of
them.  

1.  I have looked into the plagiarism charge and it seems that pastor
Wilson has apologized for his sin in this although, this seems to be
Steve Wilkins error rather than Wilson's. Am I wrong in this?
Christians do sin and when they do, they should respond appropriately. 

2.  The idea that R E Lee "caused more deaths on American Soil then 
anyone else..." is laughable on its face since the Union tried to
recruit Lee for the invasion of the South before Lee took up arms to
defend Virginia.  You may disagree with his decision but even those in
the North recognized his character and leadership.  " Of admirable
personal character, Lee was idolized by his soldiers and the people of
the South and soon won the admiration of the North. He has remained an
ideal of the South and an American hero, although some late 20th cent.
historians have tended toward a more critical view of him as a general
and as a man."  (http://www.bartleby.com/65/le/Lee-Robe.html  Columbia
Encyclopedia, 6th Edition)  I am guessing that you are one of the
"historians" who takes a more critical view.

3.  As far as WWJD... I think He would ask that everyone remove the
faddish bracelets and return to His word.  That is just my opinion since
stupid bracelets not specifically addressed in scripture.  Slavery is
however and I am sure that Christ would condemn the practice of
race-based slavery in the world.  I am not as sure about slavery as a
system though.  There are several passage of scripture (we can go to
scripture to determine HMSWJO can't we?)  that indicate that slavery was
practiced by His people and even governed by God to some extent.  Now I
am going to have to find pastor Wilson's book and see what he says about
it.  

4.  I know nothing about the tax charge but if pastor Wilson owes taxes
he should pay them.  I would have to give him the benefit of doubt
though as the bible requires.  There really should be two or three
witnesses before a charge is brought against an elder of the church.
Now, a couple of guys yelling, "yeah, what about that" do not constitute
two, three or the snot load you have on this list serve.

5.  You (editorial "you" again) are mean when you call names and smear
with titles such as "cult".  There better ways to conduct yourselves in
the debate I am sure.  

6.  I am from a small town that does not have list serves.  I guess that
is how my community is different from yours. Oh, and we are kinder to
our "cult" members.


Well, I am off to bed now.  May God pour his grace out upon you.

Al sends



-----Original Message-----
From: Donovan Arnold [mailto:donovanarnold at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 10:01 PM
To: providence at mchsi.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] WOW

Alan writes:

"Hmmm... well, I do not know that pastor Wilson preaches that slavery is
OK nor do I know that Lee is a hero of his (though he would be one of
mine) ditto for the tax stuff."

Well now you do, ignorance is no longer an excuse for you!

So what do you think about plagiarism, is that moral in your book, how
about 
a man that betrayed his nation, and caused more deaths on American Soil
then 
anyone else (Gen. Lee) be a hero? Or how about Slavery, is that a Christ

thing to do? How many slaves do you think Christ owned? Perhaps WWJD
(would 
would Jesus do), should be changed to HMSWJO, (How many slaves would
Jesus 
Own). How about Tax Evasion, was that "render under Caesar what is
Caesar's" 
just kind of silly joke by Christ?" Or are Pastors not privy to this
law?

Let us debate these things. I think Socrates would be disappointed if
you 
were not able or willing to discuss the issues in a logical fashion
instead 
of thumbing your nose at them?

Also please tell how we are "mean" in defending our community from fraud
and 
racism? Do you come from a community where plagiarism, fraud, tax
evasion, 
and slavery are welcomed?

In our community Lying, Cheating, Stealing, and treating others as you
don't 
wish to be treated (slavery), are considered wrong. How does your
community 
differ?

Donovan J Arnold



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