[Vision2020] Ribbons, medals, and lying to ABC
Tom Hansen
thansen@moscow.com
Tue, 27 Apr 2004 20:45:29 -0700
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Again (and for the final time), do you have ANY evidence of John Kerry
meeting with North Vietnamese officials, other than his statement that he
went to Paris on his honeymoon?
This is getting ignorant now. This is a waste of my time.
Forget the question. If you want to believe that John Kerry plotted with
the North Vietnamese to assassinate public officials, go right ahead.
Later,
Tom Hansen
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Duffau [mailto:pduffau@adelphia.net]
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 8:28 PM
To: thansen@moscow.com; vision2020@moscow.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Ribbons, medals, and lying to ABC
Mr. Hansen,
First, I must apologize. I thought I had been careful to state that he
had apparently attended a meeting in which the assassination of public
officials was discussed. In no way did I mean to imply that John Kerry
actively plotted or participated in any such scheme.
Now, to your questions. I went to John Kerry's website and located his
record of service. It indicates that John Kerry was transferred to the
Naval Reserves on Jan. 3, 1970. On July 1, 1972 he was transferred to
Standby Reserves - Inactive. On Feb 16, 1978, he was released from the
Naval Reserves. So far, we seem to be in agreement, though I wasn't trying
to be disagreeable but to get the facts correct.
http://www.johnkerry.com/about/Service_Record.pdf
Based on these dates, John Kerry definitely was protesting the war while
still a member of the military reserve and also met a representative of
North Vietnam while travelling in France during his honeymoon (since he has
indicated that he was there, I accept that as a fact.) This actually lends
some credence that he would be willing to meet with foreign officials that
want him to win the current election since it would simply repeat past
behavior.
As I indicated before, the record on the meeting in Kansas City is iffy,
based on contemporaneous records from the FBI and a several personal
accounts. Whether Kerry was aware of Scott Camil's proposition is an open
question. That Camil was working for the Kerry campaign in Florida is
indisputable since the campaign has since accepted his resignation. The
campaign also tried to get a Mr. John Musgrove to change his story about
Kerry's attendance. These events also occurred prior to the end of his
active reserve status.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/24/politics/campaign/24VET.html?ex=1398225600
&en=3fb3db1485d5aace&ei=5007&partner=USERLAND
My reference to the Inactive Reserve status was merely to get an accurate
timeline and to try to understand the 2 year gap in paperwork. I believe
that the events of 1970-1972 are the ones in dispute.
Respectfully,
Paul Duffau
At 07:33 PM 4/27/04 -0700, you wrote:
Two things, Mr. Duffau.
Judging by the first endorsement to LTJG John Kerry's Release from
Active Duty, dated 2 January 1970, he was ordered to inactive reserve.
(http://www.johnkerry.com/about/Release_From_Active_Duty.pdf). A thorough
search of records on display at his website and numerous searches via
www.google.com resulted in disclosure of one document subsequent to his
release from active duty on 2 January 1970.
http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/jkerry/trnsfr2stndyrsrv.pdf
A Contingent Transfer to the Standby (Inactive) Reserves effective 1
July 1972, dated 1 March 1972.
This tells me that he was on active reserve status until he fulfilled
his six-year obligation on 1 July 1972 and was then transferred into the
inactive reserve,
Could you please share with us ANY evidence that you may have come
across reflecting Kerry's military service subsequent to 1 July 1972,
especially any evidence linking him to assassinations of public officials?
I anxiously await your response.
Tom Hansen
Not On The Palouse, Not Ever
-----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com
[mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]On Behalf Of Paul Duffau
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 6:44 PM
To: vision2020@moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Ribbons, medals, and lying to ABC
Joan,
You are correct that it is a fact that Kerry was decorated for his
heroism. You are also correct that on his return he protested that same
war. It is also a fact that he did so a a member of the Reserves. He also
met with North Vietnamese in Paris while in the Reserves. And apparently
was at a meeting in which assassinations of public officials was discussed,
while still in the Reserves. (This last is in question - his separation
papers direct him to contact the Naval Reserves immediately upon discharge.
A separate document shows service from '72-'78 for the Reserves. A question
for Tom, since he will be far more familiar than I am with discharge
procedures: When discharged, do you serve for a period of time in the
active Reserves before reassignment to Inactive status?)
In my mind, his behavior after his return is an issue. His behavior
in the service was honorable and praiseworthy. Much of the criticism that
I've seen recently deals with the period after his release from the Navy.
Paul Duffau
At 03:47 PM 4/27/04 -0700, you wrote:
The facts of the case are simple: Kerry was decorated for heroism
in Vietnam. Kerry, on his return, protested the Vietnam War. That's it.
Sum total.
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D014114103-28042004><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Again (and for=20
the final time), do you have ANY evidence of John Kerry meeting with =
North=20
Vietnamese officials, other than his statement that he went to Paris on =
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honeymoon?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D014114103-28042004><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>This is getting=20
ignorant now. This is a waste of my time.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D014114103-28042004><FONT color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D014114103-28042004><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Forget the=20
question. If you want to believe that John Kerry plotted with the =
North=20
Vietnamese to assassinate public officials, go right =
ahead.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D014114103-28042004><FONT color=3D#0000ff=20
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D014114103-28042004><FONT color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Later,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D014114103-28042004><FONT color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D014114103-28042004><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Tom =
Hansen</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Paul Duffau=20
[mailto:pduffau@adelphia.net]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 27, 2004 =
8:28=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> thansen@moscow.com; =
vision2020@moscow.com<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
RE: [Vision2020] Ribbons, medals, and lying to =
ABC<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>Mr.=20
Hansen,<BR><BR>First, I must apologize. I thought I had been =
careful to=20
state that he had apparently attended a meeting in which the =
assassination of=20
public officials was discussed. In no way did I mean to imply =
that John=20
Kerry actively plotted or participated in any such scheme.<BR><BR>Now, =
to your=20
questions. I went to John Kerry's website and located his record =
of=20
service. It indicates that John Kerry was transferred to the =
Naval=20
Reserves on Jan. 3, 1970. On July 1, 1972 he was transferred to =
Standby=20
Reserves - Inactive. On Feb 16, 1978, he was released from the =
Naval=20
Reserves. So far, we seem to be in agreement, though I wasn't =
trying to=20
be disagreeable but to get the facts correct. <A=20
href=3D"http://www.johnkerry.com/about/Service_Record.pdf"=20
=
eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.johnkerry.com/about/Service_Record.pdf</A><=
BR><BR>Based=20
on these dates, John Kerry definitely was protesting the war while =
still a=20
member of the military reserve and also met a representative of North =
Vietnam=20
while travelling in France during his honeymoon (since he has =
indicated that=20
he was there, I accept that as a fact.) This actually lends some =
credence that he would be willing to meet with foreign officials that =
want him=20
to win the current election since it would simply repeat past=20
behavior.<BR><BR> As I indicated before, the record on the =
meeting in=20
Kansas City is iffy, based on contemporaneous records from the FBI and =
a=20
several personal accounts. Whether Kerry was aware of Scott =
Camil's=20
proposition is an open question. That Camil was working for the =
Kerry=20
campaign in Florida is indisputable since the campaign has since =
accepted his=20
resignation. The campaign also tried to get a Mr. John Musgrove =
to=20
change his story about Kerry's attendance. These events also =
occurred=20
prior to the end of his active reserve status. <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/24/politics/campaign/24VET.html?ex=
=3D1398225600&en=3D3fb3db1485d5aace&ei=3D5007&partner=3DUSERL=
AND"=20
=
eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/24/politics/campaign/24=
VET.html?ex=3D1398225600&en=3D3fb3db1485d5aace&ei=3D5007&part=
ner=3D</A><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/24/politics/campaign/24VET.html?ex=
=3D1398225600&en=3D3fb3db1485d5aace&ei=3D5007&partner=3DUSERL=
AND"=20
eudora=3D"autourl">USERLAND<BR><BR></A>My reference to the Inactive =
Reserve=20
status was merely to get an accurate timeline and to try to understand =
the 2=20
year gap in paperwork. I believe that the events of 1970-1972 =
are the=20
ones in dispute.<BR><BR>Respectfully,<BR><BR>Paul =
Duffau<BR><BR><BR><BR>At=20
07:33 PM 4/27/04 -0700, you wrote:<BR><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"" type=3D"cite">Two things, Mr.=20
Duffau.</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Judging =
by the first=20
endorsement to LTJG John Kerry's Release from Active Duty, dated 2 =
January=20
1970, he was ordered to inactive reserve. (<A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.johnkerry.com/about/Release_From_Active_Duty.pdf">http=
://www.johnkerry.com/about/Release_From_Active_Duty.pdf</A>). =20
A thorough search of records on display at his website and numerous =
searches=20
via <A href=3D"http://www.google.com">www.google.com</A> resulted in =
disclosure of one document subsequent to his release from active =
duty on 2=20
January 1970.</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><A=20
=
href=3D"http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/jkerry/trnsfr2stndyrsrv.pdf">h=
ttp://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/jkerry/trnsfr2stndyrsrv.pdf</A></FONT><=
BR>A=20
Contingent Transfer to the Standby (Inactive) Reserves effective 1 =
July=20
1972, dated 1 March 1972.<BR> <BR><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>This tells=20
me that he was on active reserve status until he fulfilled his =
six-year=20
obligation on 1 July 1972 and was then transferred into the inactive =
reserve,</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Could =
you please=20
share with us ANY evidence that you may have come across reflecting =
Kerry's=20
military service subsequent to 1 July 1972, especially any evidence =
linking=20
him to assassinations of public officials?</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I anxiously await your=20
response.</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Tom=20
Hansen</FONT><BR>Not On The Palouse, Not Ever
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<DD>-----Original Message-----=20
<DD>From:</B> vision2020-admin@moscow.com [<A=20
href=3D"mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com%5DOn"=20
eudora=3D"autourl">mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]</A><A=20
href=3D"mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com%5DOn" =
eudora=3D"autourl">On</A>=20
Behalf Of </B>Paul Duffau=20
<DD>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 27, 2004 6:44 PM=20
<DD>To:</B> vision2020@moscow.com=20
<DD>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Ribbons, medals, and lying to=20
ABC<BR><BR></FONT>
<DD>Joan,<BR><BR>
<DD>You are correct that it is a fact that Kerry was decorated =
for his=20
heroism. You are also correct that on his return he =
protested that=20
same war. It is also a fact that he did so a a member of =
the=20
Reserves. He also met with North Vietnamese in Paris while =
in the=20
Reserves. And apparently was at a meeting in which =
assassinations=20
of public officials was discussed, while still in the=20
Reserves. (This last is in question - his separation =
papers direct=20
him to contact the Naval Reserves immediately upon =
discharge. A=20
separate document shows service from '72-'78 for the =
Reserves. A=20
question for Tom, since he will be far more familiar than I am =
with=20
discharge procedures: When discharged, do you serve for a =
period=20
of time in the active Reserves before reassignment to Inactive=20
status?)<BR><BR>
<DD>In my mind, his behavior after his return is an issue. =
His=20
behavior in the service was honorable and praiseworthy. =
Much of=20
the criticism that I've seen recently deals with the period =
after his=20
release from the Navy. <BR><BR>
<DD>Paul Duffau<BR><BR>
<DD>At 03:47 PM 4/27/04 -0700, you wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"" type=3D"cite">
<DD>The facts of the case are simple: Kerry was decorated for =
heroism=20
in Vietnam. Kerry, on his return, protested the Vietnam=20
War. That's it. Sum total.=20
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