[Vision2020] RE: Open Wager to Mr. Arnold
Dale Courtney
dmcourtn@moscow.com
Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:50:40 -0700
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Donovan,=20
Is this one of your "I'll lie if I don't like what you're saying" posts =
(http://lists2.fsr.net/pipermail/vision2020/2003-September/004424.html). =
I just can't tell when you are being truthful or deceptive per your =
ethics you stated above.=20
Oh, wait! If you answer me, how will I know whether that's a "lie to =
cover" or really the truth.=20
Guess we'll just never know.=20
Dale
PS -- yours lying ethic is archived.=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Donovan Arnold=20
To: thansen@moscow.com ; vision2020@moscow.com=20
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 12:57
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] RE: Open Wager to Mr. Arnold
No, Tom.
They changed it to the age of 23 if you are still in college, not 21 =
anymore. I had mine for 3 years longer because they messed up on my =
birth date at Fairchild Airforce Base. My dad tried to change it back to =
the right year but it was too much of a hassle. They said I was 3 years =
younger, and that if we disagreed with my birth date to go appeal it to =
DC. It was not worth the hassle so we didn't bother.
To bad you would not accept the wager. But that is because you know =
you are full of it.
In case you didn't know, you can scan an ID and block out the last 5 =
digits of your SS number and make it in B&W and a different size. You =
can also put the words "COPY" across the top of it. So I don't buy your =
excuses. I also stated I would take any other reasonable evidence they =
served in the military.=20
Donovan J Arnold
>From: "Tom Hansen"=20
>Reply-To:=20
>To: "Donovan Arnold" ,=20
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] RE: Open Wager to Mr. Arnold=20
>Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 06:10:05 -0700=20
>=20
>Donovan Arnold stated:=20
>=20
>"Regardless of what you may think about the "almighty" Military ID, I =
had=20
>one for 26 years."=20
>=20
>You earlier stated that you were never on active duty, that you grew =
up=20
>around active duty members throughout your childhood as a dependent =
(or as=20
>they were later referred to "family members"). Am I to assume that =
you were=20
>a dependent of your parents until you were 26? Military dependents =
are=20
>required to surrender their ID cards upon reaching 18 years of age =
(or in=20
>some extreme cases, 21). Or are you simply "bending" the truth?=20
>=20
>Mr. Arnold went on to say:=20
>=20
>"The information on the military ID is public knowledge."=20
>=20
>Since when is my social security number considered "public =
knowledge"?=20
>=20
>And yet he states:=20
>=20
>"What is stupid is to allow the card in actual size and in full color =
to be=20
>duplicated."=20
>=20
>Like (as you suggested) scanning?=20
>=20
>And the dumb get dumber:=20
>=20
>"Especially when the only thing it gets you is 25 cents off a bag of =
cereal=20
>at the Commissary."=20
>=20
>It is called identify theft, Mr. Arnold. And the bad guys do it for =
alot=20
>more than access to the commissary.=20
>=20
>As far as continuing this "ad nauseum" childishness, I will simply =
terminate=20
>it at this point. Every time I mention the wager, you rspond with =
absolute=20
>rhetoric and standards of proof that exceed common sense.=20
>=20
>Take care, and don't forget to return your dependent ID card (it is=20
>governemnt property, you know) . . .=20
>=20
>Tom Hansen=20
>Moscow, Idaho=20
>=20
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<DIV>Donovan, </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Is this one of your "I'll lie if I don't like what you're saying" =
posts (<A=20
href=3D"http://lists2.fsr.net/pipermail/vision2020/2003-September/004424.=
html">http://lists2.fsr.net/pipermail/vision2020/2003-September/004424.ht=
ml</A>).=20
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I just can't tell when you are being truthful or deceptive per =
your=20
ethics you stated above. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Oh, wait! If you answer me, how will I know whether that's a "lie =
to cover"=20
or really the truth. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Guess we'll just never know. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Dale</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>PS -- yours lying ethic is archived. </DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Ddonovanarnold@hotmail.com=20
href=3D"mailto:donovanarnold@hotmail.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dthansen@moscow.com=20
href=3D"mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</A> ; <A=20
title=3Dvision2020@moscow.com=20
href=3D"mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, September 19, =
2003=20
12:57</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Vision2020] RE: =
Open Wager=20
to Mr. Arnold</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P>No, Tom.</P>
<P>They changed it to the age of 23 if you are still in college, not =
21=20
anymore. I had mine for 3 years longer because they messed up on my =
birth date=20
at Fairchild Airforce Base. My dad tried to change it back to the =
right year=20
but it was too much of a hassle. They said I was 3 years younger, and =
that if=20
we disagreed with my birth date to go appeal it to DC. It was =
not worth=20
the hassle so we didn't bother.</P></DIV>
<P>To bad you would not accept the wager. But that is because you know =
you are=20
full of it.</P>
<DIV></DIV>
<P>In case you didn't know, you can scan an ID and block out the =
last 5=20
digits of your SS number and make it in B&W and a different size. =
You can=20
also put the words "COPY" across the top of it. So I don't buy your =
excuses. I=20
also stated I would take any other reasonable evidence they served in =
the=20
military. </P>
<DIV></DIV>
<P>Donovan J Arnold<BR><BR></P>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>From: "Tom Hansen" <THANSEN@MOSCOW.COM>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>Reply-To: <THANSEN@MOSCOW.COM>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>To: "Donovan Arnold" <DONOVANARNOLD@HOTMAIL.COM>,=20
<VISION2020@MOSCOW.COM>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] RE: Open Wager to Mr. Arnold=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 06:10:05 -0700=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>Donovan Arnold stated:=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>"Regardless of what you may think about the "almighty" =
Military=20
ID, I had=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>one for 26 years."=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>You earlier stated that you were never on active duty, =
that you=20
grew up=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>around active duty members throughout your childhood as =
a=20
dependent (or as=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>they were later referred to "family members"). Am I to =
assume=20
that you were=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>a dependent of your parents until you were 26? Military =
dependents are=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>required to surrender their ID cards upon reaching 18 =
years of=20
age (or in=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>some extreme cases, 21). Or are you simply "bending" =
the truth?=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>Mr. Arnold went on to say:=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>"The information on the military ID is public =
knowledge."=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>Since when is my social security number considered =
"public=20
knowledge"?=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>And yet he states:=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>"What is stupid is to allow the card in actual size and =
in full=20
color to be=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>duplicated."=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>Like (as you suggested) scanning?=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>And the dumb get dumber:=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>"Especially when the only thing it gets you is 25 cents =
off a=20
bag of cereal=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>at the Commissary."=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>It is called identify theft, Mr. Arnold. And the bad =
guys do it=20
for alot=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>more than access to the commissary.=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>As far as continuing this "ad nauseum" childishness, I =
will=20
simply terminate=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>it at this point. Every time I mention the wager, you =
rspond=20
with absolute=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>rhetoric and standards of proof that exceed common =
sense.=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>Take care, and don't forget to return your dependent ID =
card=20
(it is=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>governemnt property, you know) . . .=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>Tom Hansen=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>Moscow, Idaho=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
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