[Vision2020] Journalistic integrity
Andreas Schou
scho8053@uidaho.edu
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> Tom,
>
> You seem to know a good bit about the situation. Here is my question. How
> does the Southern Poverty Law Center make their money and earn recognition
> as one of the most profitable non-profit organizations in the U.S.? (Here's
> a hint: http://www.patriotist.com/dees.htm)
Deacon
Boy, Deacon James -- that's some good journalistic work. While you're reading the Patriotist's article about Morris Dees, you might want to take a break and read this article, as well.
http://www.patriotist.com/waller.htm
Or, if you don't want to be bothered, here's some excerpts:
"Increasingly, predominately black cities in America are no-go zones for Americans. We are raped, robbed, assaulted and even killed when we go there and these terrorist acts spill over into non-black towns and cities. As a result, Americans are not safe in their own land!
"Meanwhile, Catholic peons from Mexico invade our country, undermine the Protestant character of our nation and perpetrate more crime and terrorism...the violence must end!
"The Israelis use the following methods for curtailing Palestinian violence, and we should do as these Chosen People of God Almighty do.
"Closure. Cities with a Palestinian majority are sealed. The Arabs are not allowed to leave their towns and they may not enter Israel for employment or any other reason except certain cases of medical emergency. We in America need to do the same. Whenever there are clashes with our police and an outburst of violence from Afros or Latinos in America, we should seal ghettos and barrios the way Israel sealed the Palestinian cities at the beginning of 2001."
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1. Bush's spin on Baghdad attacks (Carl Westberg)
2. Re: Journalistic integrity (Douglas)
3. Journalistic integrity (Nate Wilson)
4. RE: Bush's spin on Baghdad attacks (Thomas Hansen)
5. RE: Journalistic integrity (Deacon James)
6. RE: Journalistic integrity (Thomas Hansen)
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Message: 1
From: "Carl Westberg" <carlwestberg846@hotmail.com>
To: vision2020@moscow.com
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 10:58:15 -0800
Subject: [Vision2020] Bush's spin on Baghdad attacks
President Bush evidently sees the Baghdad bombings as an indication that
we're doing very well in Iraq. "The more progress we make on the ground,
the more free the Iraqis become, the more electricity that's available, the
more kids that are going to school, the more desperate these killers
become", says Bush. In Bushspeak, all the bombings just prove how
successful we've been. George Orwell is spinning in his grave.
Carl Westberg Jr.
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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:24:36 -0800
To: vision2020@moscow.com
From: Douglas <dougwils@moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Journalistic integrity
Visionaries,
Bill says I have been stepping away from my little booklet. Here comes the
level of debate to which we are all acccustomed. Have not.
When this fracas broke out, I went back and read it again, and still agree
with everything in it. We still publish it, still sell it. Backing away?
Explaining something to someone who does not really want to understand it
is not the same thing as backing away. But the subject head is not about my
views on slavery, but rather about journalistic integrity.
The link between slavery and the history conference was made by that Daily
News retainer, Anonymous. He circulated a flyer which made it appear that
the subject of the conference was slavery. The Daily News passed on this
impression, despite me telling the reporter that the conference was not
about slavery. We are doing biographies of men like Lord Byron, Marx,
Robespierre. The Daily News is an AP paper so the Statesman picked it up.
Who is responsible for this inaccuracy?
In the meantime, related to this issue,Tom Hansen has started boycotting
Bucers. Is this because Bucers is owned by two multi-racial families? Does
Tom have something against black children? Inquiring people want to know.
He does live in North Idaho, and he is boycotting a business owned by mixed
families. This is deeply troubling.
Cordially,
Douglas Wilson
At 10:24 AM 10/27/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> I am not representing the Daily News, but I think it is clear that
> Doug Wilson and his various buddies are trying to kill the messenger
> since they really do not enjoy the message.
> The message is that Doug has been exposed as clearly and directly
> supporting the abhorrent practice of human slavery. Wilson has lately
> been stepping carefully away from what he co-wrote in that booklet
> ("Southern Slavery: As It Was"). He now says he really meant that
> slavery should have been ended without the Civil War, but the book is
> quite obvious. Wilson said that human slavery was justified in the Bible
> and justified historically by the wonderfully humane system of slavery
> developed in the South. Wilson has been exposed writing blatantly untrue
> assessments about the nature of Southern slavery (ask any historian).
> Since Wilson is worried about this message getting out, he is sending
> out the troops to attack the Daily News as the messenger. The topic of
> Wilson's February conference is "Revolution and Modernity." However, it
> is accurate for the Daily News to indicate that a discussion of Southern
> slavery will be incorporated into the conference. Wilson and his
> co-author (Steve Wilkins) from the slavery book are both featured
> speakers. In previous years, these annual conferences sponsored by
> Wilson's church have included discussions of slavery whatever the stated
> focus of that year's conference. Wilson acknowledged that he expected
> the topic of slavery to arise at the February conference as well.
> I thought the Daily News article was more than fair to Wilson, giving
> him plenty of space to define his views. Looking back at the published
> article, I was amused to read again the subtitle: "Debate, emotions
> already stirred as preface to February conference at UI." Yup, that
> about sums it up.
>BL
>
>Douglas wrote:
>
>>Visionaries,
>>
>>Ambrose Bierce once defined ink as a "villainous compound of
>>tanno-gallate of iron, gum-arabic and water, chiefly used to facilitate
>>the infection of idiocy and promote intellectual crime."
>>
>>On Friday, The Idaho Statesman picked up the article which had previously
>>run in the Daily News. They ran it with this by-line: "Pair to give their
>>"biblical" defense of practice at U of I conference."
>>
>>1. The conference is not on slavery. Never has been. The Daily News
>>really needs to quit relying on anonymous flyers as part of their
>>crackerjack reporting team. The savings in payroll are not really worth
>>the embarrassment.
>>2. No, we are not going to give a defense of slavery at the conference.
>>3. It is not a U of I conference.
>>4. Having shouted their error on the front page, the Daily News had
>>whispered a teeny correction later on. The Statesman must have missed it
>>somehow.
>>
>>I would like to ask Nathan Alford to respond, or someone at the Daily
>>News. Who is responsible for misrepresenting our history conference in
>>this egregious way? What are you going to do about it?
>>
>>Cordially,
>>
>>Douglas Wilson
>>
>>_____________________________________________________
>>List services made available by First Step Internet, serving the
>>communities of the Palouse since 1994.
>>http://www.fsr.net
>>mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:04:50 -0800
From: Nate Wilson <natewilson@moscow.com>
To: Thomas Hansen <tomh@uidaho.edu>, vision2020@moscow.com
Subject: [Vision2020] Journalistic integrity
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Hear we go round the mulberry bush, the mulberry bush, the mulberry
bush. Yes. The Southern Poverty Law Center is lying. I know it's hard to
believe such things about a fat cat group on the other side of the
country. It's so much easier to believe things about a local.
NDW
P.S. Dad, I think you should turn yourself in now. Bill London is onto
you. He saw right through all those anti-racist things you said. Right
into your deep, dark, inner aorta.
Thomas Hansen wrote:
>Simple: Follow the links. Wilson to Wilkins to the League of the South.
>The Southern Poverty Law Center has exposed the League of the South to be
>white supremacist in nature. Or are they lying, too?
>
>It is truly that simple.
>
>Tom Hansen
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bill london [mailto:london@moscow.com]
>Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:25 AM
>To: Douglas
>Cc: vision2020@moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Journalistic integrity
>
>
> I am not representing the Daily News, but I think it is clear that
>Doug Wilson and his various buddies are trying to kill the messenger
>since they really do not enjoy the message.
> The message is that Doug has been exposed as clearly and directly
>supporting the abhorrent practice of human slavery. Wilson has lately
>been stepping carefully away from what he co-wrote in that booklet
>("Southern Slavery: As It Was"). He now says he really meant that
>slavery should have been ended without the Civil War, but the book is
>quite obvious. Wilson said that human slavery was justified in the
>Bible and justified historically by the wonderfully humane system of
>slavery developed in the South. Wilson has been exposed writing
>blatantly untrue assessments about the nature of Southern slavery (ask
>any historian).
> Since Wilson is worried about this message getting out, he is
>sending out the troops to attack the Daily News as the messenger.
> The topic of Wilson's February conference is "Revolution and
>Modernity." However, it is accurate for the Daily News to indicate
>that a discussion of Southern slavery will be incorporated into the
>conference. Wilson and his co-author (Steve Wilkins) from the slavery
>book are both featured speakers. In previous years, these annual
>conferences sponsored by Wilson's church have included discussions of
>slavery whatever the stated focus of that year's conference. Wilson
>acknowledged that he expected the topic of slavery to arise at the
>February conference as well.
> I thought the Daily News article was more than fair to Wilson,
>giving him plenty of space to define his views.
> Looking back at the published article, I was amused to read again
>the subtitle: "Debate, emotions already stirred as preface to February
>conference at UI." Yup, that about sums it up.
>BL
>
>Douglas wrote:
>
>
>
>>Visionaries,
>>
>>Ambrose Bierce once defined ink as a "villainous compound of
>>tanno-gallate of iron, gum-arabic and water, chiefly used to
>>facilitate the infection of idiocy and promote intellectual crime."
>>
>>On Friday, The Idaho Statesman picked up the article which had
>>previously run in the Daily News. They ran it with this by-line: "Pair
>>to give their "biblical" defense of practice at U of I conference."
>>
>>1. The conference is not on slavery. Never has been. The Daily News
>>really needs to quit relying on anonymous flyers as part of their
>>crackerjack reporting team. The savings in payroll are not really
>>worth the embarrassment.
>>2. No, we are not going to give a defense of slavery at the conference.
>>3. It is not a U of I conference.
>>4. Having shouted their error on the front page, the Daily News had
>>whispered a teeny correction later on. The Statesman must have missed
>>it somehow.
>>
>>I would like to ask Nathan Alford to respond, or someone at the Daily
>>News. Who is responsible for misrepresenting our history conference in
>>this egregious way? What are you going to do about it?
>>
>>Cordially,
>>
>>Douglas Wilson
>>
>>_____________________________________________________
>>List services made available by First Step Internet, serving the
>>communities of the Palouse since 1994.
>>http://www.fsr.net
>>mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com
>>ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ
>>
>>.
>>
>>
>>
>
>_____________________________________________________
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> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
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Hear we go round the mulberry bush, the mulberry bush, the mulberry
bush. Yes. The Southern Poverty Law Center is lying. I know it's hard
to believe such things about a fat cat group on the other side of the
country. It's so much easier to believe things about a local.<br>
<br>
NDW<br>
<br>
P.S. Dad, I think you should turn yourself in now. Bill London is onto
you. He saw right through all those anti-racist things you said. Right
into your deep, dark, inner aorta.<br>
<br>
Thomas Hansen wrote:<br>
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cite="mid12D306BAF167D44DA3785C6619E4FAC509644F@daffy.dfm.uidaho.edu">
<pre wrap="">Simple: Follow the links. Wilson to Wilkins to the League of the South.
The Southern Poverty Law Center has exposed the League of the South to be
white supremacist in nature. Or are they lying, too?
It is truly that simple.
Tom Hansen
-----Original Message-----
From: bill london [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:london@moscow.com">mailto:london@moscow.com</a>]
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:25 AM
To: Douglas
Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Journalistic integrity
I am not representing the Daily News, but I think it is clear that
Doug Wilson and his various buddies are trying to kill the messenger
since they really do not enjoy the message.
The message is that Doug has been exposed as clearly and directly
supporting the abhorrent practice of human slavery. Wilson has lately
been stepping carefully away from what he co-wrote in that booklet
("Southern Slavery: As It Was"). He now says he really meant that
slavery should have been ended without the Civil War, but the book is
quite obvious. Wilson said that human slavery was justified in the
Bible and justified historically by the wonderfully humane system of
slavery developed in the South. Wilson has been exposed writing
blatantly untrue assessments about the nature of Southern slavery (ask
any historian).
Since Wilson is worried about this message getting out, he is
sending out the troops to attack the Daily News as the messenger.
The topic of Wilson's February conference is "Revolution and
Modernity." However, it is accurate for the Daily News to indicate
that a discussion of Southern slavery will be incorporated into the
conference. Wilson and his co-author (Steve Wilkins) from the slavery
book are both featured speakers. In previous years, these annual
conferences sponsored by Wilson's church have included discussions of
slavery whatever the stated focus of that year's conference. Wilson
acknowledged that he expected the topic of slavery to arise at the
February conference as well.
I thought the Daily News article was more than fair to Wilson,
giving him plenty of space to define his views.
Looking back at the published article, I was amused to read again
the subtitle: "Debate, emotions already stirred as preface to February
conference at UI." Yup, that about sums it up.
BL
Douglas wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Visionaries,
Ambrose Bierce once defined ink as a "villainous compound of
tanno-gallate of iron, gum-arabic and water, chiefly used to
facilitate the infection of idiocy and promote intellectual crime."
On Friday, The Idaho Statesman picked up the article which had
previously run in the Daily News. They ran it with this by-line: "Pair
to give their "biblical" defense of practice at U of I conference."
1. The conference is not on slavery. Never has been. The Daily News
really needs to quit relying on anonymous flyers as part of their
crackerjack reporting team. The savings in payroll are not really
worth the embarrassment.
2. No, we are not going to give a defense of slavery at the conference.
3. It is not a U of I conference.
4. Having shouted their error on the front page, the Daily News had
whispered a teeny correction later on. The Statesman must have missed
it somehow.
I would like to ask Nathan Alford to respond, or someone at the Daily
News. Who is responsible for misrepresenting our history conference in
this egregious way? What are you going to do about it?
Cordially,
Douglas Wilson
_____________________________________________________
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Message: 4
From: Thomas Hansen <tomh@uidaho.edu>
To: "'Carl Westberg'" <carlwestberg846@hotmail.com>, vision2020@moscow.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Bush's spin on Baghdad attacks
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:06:08 -0800
Or as Dan Quayle once remarked upon return from a tour of third-world
countries, "I don't see any reason to be concerned. They look like a bunch
of happy campers to me."
Well, time for a pastry . . .
Tom Hansen
Moscow
-----Original Message-----
From: Carl Westberg [mailto:carlwestberg846@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:58 AM
To: vision2020@moscow.com
Subject: [Vision2020] Bush's spin on Baghdad attacks
President Bush evidently sees the Baghdad bombings as an indication that
we're doing very well in Iraq. "The more progress we make on the ground,
the more free the Iraqis become, the more electricity that's available, the
more kids that are going to school, the more desperate these killers
become", says Bush. In Bushspeak, all the bombings just prove how
successful we've been. George Orwell is spinning in his grave.
Carl Westberg Jr.
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From: "Deacon James" <ddjames@moscow.com>
To: <vision2020@moscow.com>
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Journalistic integrity
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:07:08 -0800
Tom,
You seem to know a good bit about the situation. Here is my question. How
does the Southern Poverty Law Center make their money and earn recognition
as one of the most profitable non-profit organizations in the U.S.? (Here's
a hint: http://www.patriotist.com/dees.htm)
Deacon
-----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]On
Behalf Of Thomas Hansen
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:38 AM
To: vision2020@moscow.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Journalistic integrity
Simple: Follow the links. Wilson to Wilkins to the League of the South.
The Southern Poverty Law Center has exposed the League of the South to be
white supremacist in nature. Or are they lying, too?
It is truly that simple.
Tom Hansen
-----Original Message-----
From: bill london [mailto:london@moscow.com]
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:25 AM
To: Douglas
Cc: vision2020@moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Journalistic integrity
I am not representing the Daily News, but I think it is clear that
Doug Wilson and his various buddies are trying to kill the messenger
since they really do not enjoy the message.
The message is that Doug has been exposed as clearly and directly
supporting the abhorrent practice of human slavery. Wilson has lately
been stepping carefully away from what he co-wrote in that booklet
("Southern Slavery: As It Was"). He now says he really meant that
slavery should have been ended without the Civil War, but the book is
quite obvious. Wilson said that human slavery was justified in the
Bible and justified historically by the wonderfully humane system of
slavery developed in the South. Wilson has been exposed writing
blatantly untrue assessments about the nature of Southern slavery (ask
any historian).
Since Wilson is worried about this message getting out, he is
sending out the troops to attack the Daily News as the messenger.
The topic of Wilson's February conference is "Revolution and
Modernity." However, it is accurate for the Daily News to indicate
that a discussion of Southern slavery will be incorporated into the
conference. Wilson and his co-author (Steve Wilkins) from the slavery
book are both featured speakers. In previous years, these annual
conferences sponsored by Wilson's church have included discussions of
slavery whatever the stated focus of that year's conference. Wilson
acknowledged that he expected the topic of slavery to arise at the
February conference as well.
I thought the Daily News article was more than fair to Wilson,
giving him plenty of space to define his views.
Looking back at the published article, I was amused to read again
the subtitle: "Debate, emotions already stirred as preface to February
conference at UI." Yup, that about sums it up.
BL
Douglas wrote:
> Visionaries,
>
> Ambrose Bierce once defined ink as a "villainous compound of
> tanno-gallate of iron, gum-arabic and water, chiefly used to
> facilitate the infection of idiocy and promote intellectual crime."
>
> On Friday, The Idaho Statesman picked up the article which had
> previously run in the Daily News. They ran it with this by-line: "Pair
> to give their "biblical" defense of practice at U of I conference."
>
> 1. The conference is not on slavery. Never has been. The Daily News
> really needs to quit relying on anonymous flyers as part of their
> crackerjack reporting team. The savings in payroll are not really
> worth the embarrassment.
> 2. No, we are not going to give a defense of slavery at the conference.
> 3. It is not a U of I conference.
> 4. Having shouted their error on the front page, the Daily News had
> whispered a teeny correction later on. The Statesman must have missed
> it somehow.
>
> I would like to ask Nathan Alford to respond, or someone at the Daily
> News. Who is responsible for misrepresenting our history conference in
> this egregious way? What are you going to do about it?
>
> Cordially,
>
> Douglas Wilson
>
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From: Thomas Hansen <tomh@uidaho.edu>
To: "'Nate Wilson'" <natewilson@moscow.com>, Thomas Hansen <tomh@uidaho.edu>,
vision2020@moscow.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Journalistic integrity
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:08:18 -0800
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And I assume that Morris Dees lied to the court during all those (so many)
cases he and the SPLC won against such civic minded organizations as the
Aryan Nations and the Klan?
Tom Hansen
-----Original Message-----
From: Nate Wilson [mailto:natewilson@moscow.com]
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:05 AM
To: Thomas Hansen; vision2020@moscow.com
Subject: [Vision2020] Journalistic integrity
Hear we go round the mulberry bush, the mulberry bush, the mulberry
bush. Yes. The Southern Poverty Law Center is lying. I know it's hard to
believe such things about a fat cat group on the other side of the country.
It's so much easier to believe things about a local.
NDW
P.S. Dad, I think you should turn yourself in now. Bill London is onto you.
He saw right through all those anti-racist things you said. Right into your
deep, dark, inner aorta.
Thomas Hansen wrote:
Simple: Follow the links. Wilson to Wilkins to the League of the South.
The Southern Poverty Law Center has exposed the League of the South to be
white supremacist in nature. Or are they lying, too?
It is truly that simple.
Tom Hansen
-----Original Message-----
From: bill london [ mailto:london@moscow.com <mailto:london@moscow.com> ]
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:25 AM
To: Douglas
Cc: vision2020@moscow.com <mailto:vision2020@moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Journalistic integrity
I am not representing the Daily News, but I think it is clear that
Doug Wilson and his various buddies are trying to kill the messenger
since they really do not enjoy the message.
The message is that Doug has been exposed as clearly and directly
supporting the abhorrent practice of human slavery. Wilson has lately
been stepping carefully away from what he co-wrote in that booklet
("Southern Slavery: As It Was"). He now says he really meant that
slavery should have been ended without the Civil War, but the book is
quite obvious. Wilson said that human slavery was justified in the
Bible and justified historically by the wonderfully humane system of
slavery developed in the South. Wilson has been exposed writing
blatantly untrue assessments about the nature of Southern slavery (ask
any historian).
Since Wilson is worried about this message getting out, he is
sending out the troops to attack the Daily News as the messenger.
The topic of Wilson's February conference is "Revolution and
Modernity." However, it is accurate for the Daily News to indicate
that a discussion of Southern slavery will be incorporated into the
conference. Wilson and his co-author (Steve Wilkins) from the slavery
book are both featured speakers. In previous years, these annual
conferences sponsored by Wilson's church have included discussions of
slavery whatever the stated focus of that year's conference. Wilson
acknowledged that he expected the topic of slavery to arise at the
February conference as well.
I thought the Daily News article was more than fair to Wilson,
giving him plenty of space to define his views.
Looking back at the published article, I was amused to read again
the subtitle: "Debate, emotions already stirred as preface to February
conference at UI." Yup, that about sums it up.
BL
Douglas wrote:
Visionaries,
Ambrose Bierce once defined ink as a "villainous compound of
tanno-gallate of iron, gum-arabic and water, chiefly used to
facilitate the infection of idiocy and promote intellectual crime."
On Friday, The Idaho Statesman picked up the article which had
previously run in the Daily News. They ran it with this by-line: "Pair
to give their "biblical" defense of practice at U of I conference."
1. The conference is not on slavery. Never has been. The Daily News
really needs to quit relying on anonymous flyers as part of their
crackerjack reporting team. The savings in payroll are not really
worth the embarrassment.
2. No, we are not going to give a defense of slavery at the conference.
3. It is not a U of I conference.
4. Having shouted their error on the front page, the Daily News had
whispered a teeny correction later on. The Statesman must have missed
it somehow.
I would like to ask Nathan Alford to respond, or someone at the Daily
News. Who is responsible for misrepresenting our history conference in
this egregious way? What are you going to do about it?
Cordially,
Douglas Wilson
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<DIV><SPAN class=181490619-27102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>And I
assume that Morris Dees lied to the court during all those (so many) cases he
and the SPLC won against such civic minded organizations as the Aryan Nations
and the Klan?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Nate Wilson
[mailto:natewilson@moscow.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 27, 2003 11:05
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Thomas Hansen; vision2020@moscow.com<BR><B>Subject:</B>
[Vision2020] Journalistic integrity<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
Hear we go round the mulberry bush, the mulberry bush, the mulberry bush. Yes.
The Southern Poverty Law Center is lying. I know it's hard to believe such
things about a fat cat group on the other side of the country. It's so much
easier to believe things about a local.<BR><BR>NDW<BR><BR>P.S. Dad, I think
you should turn yourself in now. Bill London is onto you. He saw right through
all those anti-racist things you said. Right into your deep, dark, inner
aorta.<BR><BR>Thomas Hansen wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE
cite=mid12D306BAF167D44DA3785C6619E4FAC509644F@daffy.dfm.uidaho.edu
type="cite"><PRE wrap="">Simple: Follow the links. Wilson to Wilkins to the League of the South.
The Southern Poverty Law Center has exposed the League of the South to be
white supremacist in nature. Or are they lying, too?
It is truly that simple.
Tom Hansen
-----Original Message-----
From: bill london [<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="mailto:london@moscow.com">mailto:london@moscow.com</A>]
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:25 AM
To: Douglas
Cc: <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Journalistic integrity
I am not representing the Daily News, but I think it is clear that
Doug Wilson and his various buddies are trying to kill the messenger
since they really do not enjoy the message.
The message is that Doug has been exposed as clearly and directly
supporting the abhorrent practice of human slavery. Wilson has lately
been stepping carefully away from what he co-wrote in that booklet
("Southern Slavery: As It Was"). He now says he really meant that
slavery should have been ended without the Civil War, but the book is
quite obvious. Wilson said that human slavery was justified in the
Bible and justified historically by the wonderfully humane system of
slavery developed in the South. Wilson has been exposed writing
blatantly untrue assessments about the nature of Southern slavery (ask
any historian).
Since Wilson is worried about this message getting out, he is
sending out the troops to attack the Daily News as the messenger.
The topic of Wilson's February conference is "Revolution and
Modernity." However, it is accurate for the Daily News to indicate
that a discussion of Southern slavery will be incorporated into the
conference. Wilson and his co-author (Steve Wilkins) from the slavery
book are both featured speakers. In previous years, these annual
conferences sponsored by Wilson's church have included discussions of
slavery whatever the stated focus of that year's conference. Wilson
acknowledged that he expected the topic of slavery to arise at the
February conference as well.
I thought the Daily News article was more than fair to Wilson,
giving him plenty of space to define his views.
Looking back at the published article, I was amused to read again
the subtitle: "Debate, emotions already stirred as preface to February
conference at UI." Yup, that about sums it up.
BL
Douglas wrote:
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">Visionaries,
Ambrose Bierce once defined ink as a "villainous compound of
tanno-gallate of iron, gum-arabic and water, chiefly used to
facilitate the infection of idiocy and promote intellectual crime."
On Friday, The Idaho Statesman picked up the article which had
previously run in the Daily News. They ran it with this by-line: "Pair
to give their "biblical" defense of practice at U of I conference."
1. The conference is not on slavery. Never has been. The Daily News
really needs to quit relying on anonymous flyers as part of their
crackerjack reporting team. The savings in payroll are not really
worth the embarrassment.
2. No, we are not going to give a defense of slavery at the conference.
3. It is not a U of I conference.
4. Having shouted their error on the front page, the Daily News had
whispered a teeny correction later on. The Statesman must have missed
it somehow.
I would like to ask Nathan Alford to respond, or someone at the Daily
News. Who is responsible for misrepresenting our history conference in
this egregious way? What are you going to do about it?
Cordially,
Douglas Wilson
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communities of the Palouse since 1994.
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