[Vision2020] Boycotts
Dale Courtney
dmcourtn@moscow.com
Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:17:50 -0700
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Sandra,
The issue isn't about wanting the best education for all of our children.
The issue is about whether the government should be providing that
education.
*
Can government provide the best education?
*
Can government provide the cheapest education?
*
Can government even provide an education that honors the beliefs and
goals of the children's parents? Not without moving to the lowest common
denominator.
So let's not let the discussion turn into "if you don't support government
education, you don't support education." That was a line that Vera used in
her Ink Spot a while back.
For the thinking members of this list, that distinction won't be lost.
Best,
Dale
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From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com] On
Behalf Of Saundra Lund
Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 13:03
To: 'Gregory Dickison'; 'Vision 2020'
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Boycotts
Mr. Dickison,
While I'm sure others could answer much more eloquently, I'll bite because
it seems perfectly clear to me: the majority (remember, this *is* a
democracy) has determined that providing education to children (and national
defense, clean air, etc) is important enough that it's a collective or
public good to which we all contribute. Otherwise, there's the free rider
problem (I pay for national defense, for instance, which cannot be withheld
from my neighbor if (s)he chooses not to pay), of course, but there's also a
significant benefit we as a society receive from public goods. We *all*
benefit from having national defense and educated children and clean water,
etc.
As much as you might enjoy coffee and pastry, those items don't meet the
criteria for public or collective goods, and that's the difference.
But, you're a smart man, and I suspect you already knew all of that . . .
so, what was the purpose of the question? Surely you weren't just trying to
be contentious, were you???
Saundra Lund
Moscow, Idaho
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
nothing.
Edmund Burke
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From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com] On
Behalf Of Gregory Dickison
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:48 AM
To: Vision 2020
Subject: [Vision2020] Boycotts
Dear Visionaries:
While I am all for your right to boycott Bucer's, Zume, Nate Wilson's Kids'
Lemonade Stand, etc., I am wondering why you think this right is so one
sided. When several of us expressed our desire to boycott the government's
schools by withholding not only our children, but our shekels as well, and
for the exact same reasons you give for boycotting coffee and pastry, you
replied, loudly and emphatically, "NO!"
What's up with that?
Gregory C. Dickison
Lawyer & Counselor at Law
Post Office Box 8846
208 South Main #2
Moscow, Idaho 83843
(208) 882-4009
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<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D113151320-21102003><FONT =
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wanting the best education for all of our children. </FONT></DIV>
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size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft></SPAN><SPAN =
class=3D113151320-21102003><FONT face=3DArial=20
color=3D#800000 size=3D2>The issue is about whether the =
<U>government</U> should be=20
providing that education. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D113151320-21102003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#800000=20
size=3D2>Can government provide the best education? =
</FONT></SPAN></DIV></LI>
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<DIV align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D113151320-21102003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#800000=20
size=3D2>Can government provide the cheapest education?=20
</FONT></SPAN></DIV></LI>
<LI>
<DIV align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D113151320-21102003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#800000=20
size=3D2>Can government even provide an education that honors the =
beliefs and=20
goals of the children's parents? Not without moving to the lowest =
common=20
denominator. </FONT></SPAN></DIV></LI></UL>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D113151320-21102003><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#800000 size=3D2>So let's not let the discussion turn into "if =
you don't=20
support government education, you don't support education." That was a =
line that=20
Vera used in her Ink Spot a while back. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D113151320-21102003><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#800000 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D113151320-21102003><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#800000 size=3D2>For the thinking members of this list, that =
distinction=20
won't be lost. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT color=3D#800000><FONT size=3D2><FONT=20
face=3DArial>Best,</FONT><BR></FONT><FONT face=3D"Vladimir Script"=20
size=3D5>Dale</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> vision2020-admin@moscow.com=20
[mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Saundra=20
Lund<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 13:03<BR><B>To:</B> =
'Gregory=20
Dickison'; 'Vision 2020'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Vision2020]=20
Boycotts<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D090175517-21102003><FONT face=3DArial>Mr.=20
Dickison,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D090175517-21102003><FONT=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D090175517-21102003><FONT face=3DArial>While I'm =
sure others=20
could answer much more eloquently, I'll bite because it seems =
perfectly=20
clear to me: the majority (remember, this *is* a democracy) has=20
determined that providing education to children (and national =
defense,=20
clean air, etc) is important enough that it's a collective or =
public good=20
to which we all contribute. Otherwise, there's the free =
rider=20
problem (I pay for national defense, for instance, which cannot =
be=20
withheld from my neighbor if (s)he chooses not to pay), of course, but =
there's=20
also a significant benefit we as a society receive from public=20
goods. We *all* benefit from having national defense and =
educated=20
children and clean water, etc.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D090175517-21102003><FONT=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D090175517-21102003><FONT face=3DArial>As much as =
you might=20
enjoy coffee and pastry, those items don't meet the criteria for =
public or=20
collective goods, and that's the difference.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D090175517-21102003><FONT=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D090175517-21102003><FONT face=3DArial>But, you're a =
smart man,=20
and I suspect you already knew all of that . . . so, what was the =
purpose of=20
the question? Surely you weren't just trying to be contentious, =
were=20
you???</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><FONT face=3DArial>Saundra<SPAN =
class=3D090175517-21102003>=20
Lund</SPAN><BR>Moscow, Idaho<BR><BR>The only thing necessary for the =
triumph=20
of evil is for good people to do nothing.<BR>Edmund=20
Burke<BR></FONT></DIV></FONT>
<DIV></DIV>
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align=3Dleft><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
vision2020-admin@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com] <B>On =
Behalf=20
Of </B>Gregory Dickison<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 21, 2003 =
10:48=20
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Vision 2020<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Vision2020]=20
Boycotts<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dear Visionaries:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>While I am all for your right to =
boycott Bucer's,=20
Zume, Nate Wilson's Kids' Lemonade Stand, etc., I am wondering why you =
think=20
this right is so one sided. When several of us expressed our desire to =
boycott=20
the government's schools by withholding not only our children, but our =
shekels=20
as well, and for the exact same reasons you give for boycotting coffee =
and=20
pastry, you replied, loudly and emphatically, "NO!"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What's up with that?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Gregory C. Dickison<BR>Lawyer & =
Counselor at=20
Law<BR>Post Office Box 8846<BR>208 South Main #2<BR>Moscow, Idaho=20
83843<BR>(208) 882-4009</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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