[Vision2020] Posting to Vision2020
amy smoucha
asmoucha@hotmail.com
Thu, 06 Nov 2003 11:22:08 -0600
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<P>This new thread is so useless, I am tempted once again to unsubscribe. I thought this listserve was supposed to foster communication between people in Moscow. Mr. Courtney, your posts do nothing but try to shut down communication, and are immature personal attacks. It's so pathetic, it's hard to take. We are now in a George Orwell novel, and it's not ok. Folks at the university, at community organizations, retirees, faith communities . . . we need all of them if our discussions are to strengthen this community. I resent anyone who attempts to shut down and restrict people from posting. Responsible adults manage their work time and break time appropriately, and we are all responsible adults. Stop using petty attacks to reduce all of us.</P>
<P>Can we please just drop this whole meaningless thread and get back to using the listserve for discussion of community issues?</P>
<P>Amy<BR><BR></P></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>----Original Message Follows----
<DIV></DIV>From: "Dale Courtney" <DMCOURTN@MOSCOW.COM>
<DIV></DIV>To: <VISION2020@MOSCOW.COM>
<DIV></DIV>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Posting to Vision2020
<DIV></DIV>Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 06:27:05 -0800
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<DIV></DIV>Tom H. wrote:
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<DIV></DIV>> > The issue is punching a time card and the taxpayers reasonably
<DIV></DIV>> > expecting that someone is actually working as opposed to
<DIV></DIV>> responding to
<DIV></DIV>> > Vision2020 emails and surfing the web all day long.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> Every business, whether it be public or private, has
<DIV></DIV>> established working hours. At UI (during the fall, winter,
<DIV></DIV>> and spring), these hours are from 8:00 AM to 5:00 PM (Monday
<DIV></DIV>> thru Friday excluding holidays) with an hour off for lunch
<DIV></DIV>> (and one 15 minute-break each before and after lunch).
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<DIV></DIV>What are the UI standards for personal use of computers and computer time
<DIV></DIV>for doing personal work (Vision2020, surfing web, etc)?
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<DIV></DIV>And is this a school-wide policy? Or varies from manager to manager.
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<DIV></DIV>If there's a policy, please point me to it. I'd like to read it.
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<DIV></DIV>> Again, regardless if an employee is on salary or a wage
<DIV></DIV>> earner, (s)he is expected to be "on the job". Thus, time
<DIV></DIV>> management has been defined.
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<DIV></DIV>Tom, this really is simplistic. The *reason* that faculty don't punch the
<DIV></DIV>clock is because they are often doing research; teaching part-time; not
<DIV></DIV>teaching at all; teaching overloads (and only get paid full time);
<DIV></DIV>professional readings; etc.
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<DIV></DIV>So, while you may *think* that the two are the same, they are completely
<DIV></DIV>different -- hence the expectations, responsibilities, and even the manner
<DIV></DIV>of being paid (punching a time clock; taking breaks; being tenured; etc) is
<DIV></DIV>*completely* different.
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<DIV></DIV>Oh, and FWIW, staff and faculty are typically paid from different pots of
<DIV></DIV>money. I don't know how the UI does it, but I'd be surprised if it's not the
<DIV></DIV>same there.
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<DIV></DIV>If you would like, I'd be glad to do an analysis of *all* UI staff employees
<DIV></DIV>who post to Vision2020. Just send me their names (I don't know who they are)
<DIV></DIV>and I'll do a full spreadsheet and graph for you -- pro bono.
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Best,
<DIV></DIV>Dale
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