[Vision2020] Re: Liberal Thinking
Ted Moffett
ted_moffett@hotmail.com
Sat, 15 Mar 2003 23:52:39 +0000
Hey Ben and others:
I hope you read my tongue in cheek statements about liberal thinking and
sexism in the mood of humorous satire intended.
Well, if Logos allows their building to be used for activities that some
might say are excluding girls, this is their choice, is it not? They could
make a statement by declaring publicly that they will not offer their
facilities to be used by any group that excludes girls over boys in an
educational or personal enrichment activity, could they not? Then does not
the critique I made still have some merit?
Imagine the local atheist/agnostic group (I believe the U of I had such a
group formed just recently) wanted to hold a "Boxing Night" fundraiser to
promote their cause and approached Logos to rent facilities. Do you think
Logos would agree?
You make it sound as though there is no connection between Logos and the
activities of Bonham sports clubs except some rent money handed over.
Though you may have a legal technical point, there clearly are connections
between Logos and Bonham sports clubs that are more than just a
disinterested party, Logos, renting a facility to a group that has no stake
in Logos students or educational activities.
Please understand that my main concern is the promotion of violence via
boxing or other violent sports. I really do not want to see girls boxing,
though in fairness I think boxing should be offered equally to girls if it
is offered to boys. And yes, I view football at Moscow High school as an
example of promotion of a violent activity and/or mentality and sexism. I
also know very well how unpopular such an attitude is. You'd think I was
attacking mom, the flag and apple pie by some of the responses I have
received to my views on football.
Awaiting your reply.
Ted
>From: Ben Twigg <bentwigg@yahoo.com>
>To: Ted Moffett <ted_moffett@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: Liberal Thinking
>Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 08:47:14 -0800 (PST)
>
>Mr. Moffett,
>
>It isn't the allegation of sexism that bothers me; it
>is the implication that Logos is a sexist institution
>because it allows its students to participate in such
>programs on their own time, outside of school. I was
>glad to see that your message this morning included
>similar charges against MHS and UI (at least this is
>how I interpreted it...correct me if I am wrong). I
>would guess that no local public or private schools
>would prohibit their students from joining the Bonham
>boxing or lacrosse clubs. Whether or not they would be
>allowed to join is a separate question, one that does
>not seem relevant in evaluating the equity of the
>school's policies regarding extracurricular
>activities.
>
>My only association with the Bonham clubs and Christ
>Church is through friends and acquaintances that are
>involved with each. I am not defending the policies of
>either. My only real objection to your arguments
>relates to the assumption that what applies to the
>clubs and the church applies to Logos. If you want to
>criticize the clubs and/or the church, go for it. If
>you want to criticize the school, go for it. But to
>lump them together and criticize the school without a
>more thorough explanation or better evidence does not
>seem justified.
>
>I am not posting this to Vision 2020. If you would
>like to respond and post both messages, feel free.
>
>More liberal than you might think on certain issues,
>
>Ben Twigg
>
>--- Ted Moffett <ted_moffett@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Ben et. al.
> >
> > It might seem odd to you that someone would see
> > sexism in the fact that an
> > option for educational or personal enrichment was
> > offered to boys but not to
> > girls. Perhaps this is because you have yet to
> > enter the bizarre and
> > foreign realm of LIBERAL THINKING! Gasp! You see,
> > to the crazed hysterical
> > mind of the liberal, all educational opportunities
> > and activities of
> > personal enrichment should be offered totally
> > equally across the board to
> > men and women with no exceptions. Thus men get to
> > take home economics, and
> > women can play football, and everyone will be happy!
> >
> > To not joyfully and gleefully offer boxing and
> > lacrosse to girls who may
> > wish to join the Bonham sports clubs, when there is
> > even the slightest hint
> > that this club is associated with Logos school,
> > well, this is an injustice
> > that burns at the soul! Private clubs do have more
> > control over being
> > exclusive, of course, though those darn liberals are
> > chipping away at that
> > great tradition.
> >
> > But let's not forget both Moscow High and the U of I
> > offer football only to
> > men! That is, unless there have been some women
> > under all that padding that
> > I have not heard about. Onward with the crusade:
> > let's make sure women
> > have the same opportunities as men to make idiots
> > out of themselves in the
> > mud playing football and risking spinal injury,
> > brain injury, knee and joint
> > problems that will haunt them the rest of their
> > lives, that is if they are
> > not outright killed on the football field, which
> > happens to a few high
> > school students just about every year!
> >
> > I've often thought that one reason women are just
> > better than men is because
> > they do not have to suffer through the moronic
> > desensitizing brutality of
> > violent sports to prove themselves.
> >
> > Ted
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: Ben Twigg <bentwigg@yahoo.com>
> > >To: vision2020@moscow.com, ted_moffett@hotmail.com,
> > spencerjt@wlu.edu
> > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Amazonian Goddesses Do
> > Battle!
> > >Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 21:22:35 -0800 (PST)
> > >
> > >I echo Jacob Spencer's comments: Logos School,
> > Christ
> > >Church, and the Bonham Boxing/Lacrosse Clubs are
> > not
> > >one and the same, and it would be nice to see
> > future
> > >Vision 2020 postings distinguish between them.
> > >
> > >According to the Logos School website, the school
> > is
> > >"absolutely committed to the central principles of
> > the
> > >Christian faith, but allow[s] for a variety of
> > >convictions on secondary doctrinal principles.
> > >[Its]staff represent many different evangelical
> > >churches, and the same is true of the vast majority
> > of
> > >[its] student body." (It is not my purpose to argue
> > >that Logos does or does not fulfill this objective,
> > >only to present its official position relative to
> > >local churches.)
> > >
> > >Mr. Moffett writes "informally Logos school does
> > have
> > >connections to the Bonham boxing or Lacrosse club.
> > And
> > >my charge of sexism still stands regarding these
> > >informal connections..."
> > >
> > >I believe that Logos has formal connections (by way
> > of
> > >its own athletic programs) to girls' volleyball,
> > >basketball, track, and cross country. (It has been
> > a
> > >while since I have taken inventory of Logos
> > athletic
> > >programs; please correct me if I my facts are false
> > or
> > >incomplete.) To suggest that the school is sexist
> > >because it allows its male students to participate
> > in
> > >certain extracurricular activities seems odd. If
> > the
> > >school is sexist, this policy of "tolerance" does
> > not
> > >seem to provide conclusive evidence.
> > >
> > >Merely the humble opinion of a Logos graduate and
> > >coach/player/fan of the world's most popular game
> > >(soccer, of course)...
> > >
> > >Ben Twigg
> > >
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