[Vision2020] Rose Huskey's Misunderstanding & Infatuation with "isms"
John Harrell
johnbharrell@yahoo.com
Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:13:48 -0700 (PDT)
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Dear Visionaries,
Rose somehow misunderstood or misread my invite. She asks, "[What] Was your point, John.."
I thought it was really simple. You picked out Hitler from the group, but didn't address
any others. So I was wondering why, and then I thought to be polite I would invite you
to address the others also. That is why I invited you to be "inclusive" not "exclusive."
Also, what is this thing you have regarding "isms"?
Cheers!
Here is the email again....
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It is interesting how you just picked out Hitler from that group.
Would you like to address the other[s] for us also?
In case you have forgot, here they are again:
QUOTATION: When an opponent declares, “I will not come over to your side,” I
calmly say, “Your child belongs to us already.... What are you? You will pass
on. Your descendants, however, now stand in the new camp. In a short time they
will know nothing else but this new community.”
ATTRIBUTION: Adolf Hitler (1889–1945), German dictator. speech, Nov. 6, 1933.
Quoted in William L. Shirer, “Education in the Third Reich,” ch. 8, The Rise
and Fall of the Third Reich (1959); speaking about the schools and their
indoctrination of the Hilterjugend (Hitler Youth Corps).
It was Adolph Hitler who said, "Let me control the textbooks, and I will
control the state."
Norman Thomas, Socialist and member of the Civil Liberties Union, boldly
told the world, "The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism,
but under the name of liberalism, they will adopt every fragment of the
Socialist program until one day America will be a Socialist nation without
ever knowing how it happened."
"Give me your four year olds," said Lenin "and in a generation I will build
a Socialist state."
Lesbian author Patricia Warren, boldly told the gay and lesbian community,
"It is the FIRST fact of civilization that--whoever captures the kids - owns
the future."
In his book ‘The Science Of Power’, Benjamin Kidd wrote, "Give us the young.
-- Give us the young and We will create a new mind and a new Earth in a SINGLE
generation."
Ross L. Finny, a socialist PhD in one of his books tells us this; "Everything
depends on passing out the expert opinions of the social scientists to the
masses of the people; the schools are the only adequate agency for this function."
Lastly, the American Humanist Association understands the importance of
capturing the children – for they have written: "In order to capture this
nation, one has to totally remove moral and spiritual values and absolutes from
the thinking of the child. The child has to think that there is no standard of
right and wrong, that truth is relative, and that diversity is the only absolute
to be gained."
Cheers!
John Harrell
DonaldH675@aol.com wrote:
Dear Visionaries,
John Harrell invited me to comment of a series of quotations regarding social control through the intellectual kidnapping of children. Since I don't endorse or participate in any group that seeks to enforce political or religious lock-step thinking on others I am somewhat at a loss. Was your point, John, that political groups have an agenda? If so, I think we can all agree that this is so. It just seems curious to me that you want to go down that path. You neglected to mention in your litany of "isms" i.e. fascism, communism, socialism, lesbianism, one that is closest to your own heart - theocraticism. (Is that even a word?)
It is the case that you belong to a faith community whose members believe that in a perfect world, law and social custom would be based on the Christ Church notion and interpretation of biblical morality. The "community of saints" as opposed to the "community of sinners," (where the rest of us reside), is a self-descriptor used by Christ Church members. Our world views collide, alas, sometimes acrimoniously, because of the state of sin and ignorance you gratuitously assign to others who don't hold the Westminster Confession as the philosophical expression and explanation of the meaning of life.
I support public education because I celebrate the richness and possibilities inherent in cultural and intellectual diversity. You support private, religious education because it is central to "protecting" (aka controlling) the social experience and intellectual development of your children. Practically speaking, it appears that you adhere more closely to the agenda of totalitarianism than I do. Let's see, inclusive vs. exclusive, that's not a very difficult choice for me.
And of course, I can call the Moscow School District office and find out exactly how many children are provided special education services and accommodations, while in the world of Logos; it seems that some children - even the children of saints - just aren't allowed in the door.
Best,
Rose Huskey
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<DIV>Dear Visionaries,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Rose somehow misunderstood or misread my invite. She asks, "[What] Was your point, John.."</DIV>
<DIV>I thought it was really simple. You picked out Hitler from the group, but didn't address </DIV>
<DIV>any others. So I was wondering why, and then I thought to be polite I would invite you </DIV>
<DIV>to address the others also. That is why I invited you to be "inclusive" not "exclusive."</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Also, what is this thing you have regarding "isms"?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Cheers!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Here is the email again....</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>It is interesting how you just picked out Hitler from that group. <BR><BR>Would you like to address the other[s] for us also?<BR><BR>In case you have forgot, here they are again:<BR><BR>QUOTATION: When an opponent declares, “I will not come over to your side,” I <BR>calmly say, “Your child belongs to us already.... What are you? You will pass <BR>on. Your descendants, however, now stand in the new camp. In a short time they <BR>will know nothing else but this new community.”<BR><BR>ATTRIBUTION: Adolf Hitler (1889–1945), German dictator. speech, Nov. 6, 1933. <BR>Quoted in William L. Shirer, “Education in the Third Reich,” ch. 8, The Rise <BR>and Fall of the Third Reich (1959); speaking about the schools and their<BR>indoctrination of the Hilterjugend (Hitler Youth Corps).<BR><BR>It was Adolph Hitler who said, "Let me control the textbooks, and I will <BR>control the state."<BR><BR>Norman Thomas, Socialist and member of the Civil Liberties Union, boldly <BR>told the worl!
d, "The
American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism, <BR>but under the name of liberalism, they will adopt every fragment of the <BR>Socialist program until one day America will be a Socialist nation without <BR>ever knowing how it happened."<BR><BR>"Give me your four year olds," said Lenin "and in a generation I will build <BR>a Socialist state."<BR><BR>Lesbian author Patricia Warren, boldly told the gay and lesbian community, <BR>"It is the FIRST fact of civilization that--whoever captures the kids - owns <BR>the future."<BR><BR>In his book ‘The Science Of Power’, Benjamin Kidd wrote, "Give us the young. <BR>-- Give us the young and We will create a new mind and a new Earth in a SINGLE <BR>generation."<BR><BR>Ross L. Finny, a socialist PhD in one of his books tells us this; "Everything <BR>depends on passing out the expert opinions of the social scientists to the <BR>masses of the people; the schools are the only adequate agency for this function."<BR><BR>Lastly, the Ame!
rican
Humanist Association understands the importance of <BR>capturing the children – for they have written: "In order to capture this <BR>nation, one has to totally remove moral and spiritual values and absolutes from<BR>the thinking of the child. The child has to think that there is no standard of <BR>right and wrong, that truth is relative, and that diversity is the only absolute <BR>to be gained."<BR><BR>Cheers!<BR>John Harrell<BR><BR><BR><BR><B><I>DonaldH675@aol.com</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid; WIDTH: 100%; HEIGHT: 574px"><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">Dear Visionaries,<BR>John Harrell invited me to comment of a series of quotations regarding social control through the intellectual kidnapping of children. Since I don't endorse or participate in any group that seeks to enforce political or religious lock-step thinking on others I am somewhat at a loss. Was your point, John, that political groups have an agenda? If so, I think we can all agree that this is so. It just seems curious to me that you want to go down that path. You neglected to mention in your litany of "isms" i.e. fascism, communism, socialism, lesbianism, one that is closest to your own heart - theocraticism. (Is that even a word?) <BR>It is the case that you belong to a faith community whose members believe that in a perfect world, law!
and
social custom would be based on the Christ Church notion and interpretation of biblical morality. The "community of saints" as opposed to the "community of sinners," (where the rest of us reside), is a self-descriptor used by Christ Church members. Our world views collide, alas, sometimes acrimoniously, because of the state of sin and ignorance you gratuitously assign to others who don't hold the Westminster Confession as the philosophical expression and explanation of the meaning of life. <BR>I support public education because I celebrate the richness and possibilities inherent in cultural and intellectual diversity. You support private, religious education because it is central to "protecting" (aka controlling) the social experience and intellectual development of your children. Practically speaking, it appears that you adhere more closely to the agenda of totalitarianism than I do. Let's see, inclusive vs. exclusive, that's not a very !
difficult
choice for me. <BR>And of course, I can call the Moscow School District office and find out exactly how many children are provided special education services and accommodations, while in the world of Logos; it seems that some children - even the children of saints - just aren't allowed in the door.<BR>Best,<BR>Rose Huskey<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><p><hr SIZE=1>
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