[Vision2020] MSD and Vouchers
Donovan Arnold
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<P>John,</P>
<P>You need to take political science 101. A group of people that get together to decide and make decisions as a group to decide how they will divide up their resources is called a democratic government. Thus, you contradict yourself, you say the "government" should not be involved. How is this possible when the "government" is the "people"? You just don't recognize it as so because the "government" or "people" have decided in a way that you disagree. Only a dictatorship, could give you what you want because the "people" or the "government" have rejected your ideals.</P></DIV>
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<P>By the way, the parents of the students with disabilities in Idaho have gotten together, have been together for years and years. If you followed the actions of parents you would know this. My Mother is the Chair of the "Idaho Disabilities Association" and they have decided to REJECT, yes that is correct, REJECT, your ideals of getting the "government" or "people" out of the decisions and help of the people and get the needs of their children met instead. They realized that things like VOUCHERS will destroy their chances of their child getting the funding needed to properly educate their children. Most of the parents are frustrated with the idea of Vouchers that will drain such valuable resources from their child. In Fact, most are now fighting to help get more funding and resources into the school system. They testify repeatedly before the Idaho State Legislature and committees to just hold off the massive cuts that Republicans keep trying to make. Governor Kempthorne has!
passed legislation to make it more difficult to qualify for ANY aid to get diagnosed for a disability so schools can avoid meeting expensive ADA requirements to please selfish taxpayers. So sleep well tonight knowing that you are working AGAINST these children. Children with mental, physical and emotional disabilities. Know that your ideals are preventing a young girl raped from getting treatment. Know that your ideals are keeping a man in a wheelchair from attending courses. Know that your ideals are preventing a student with dyslexia from learning to read because of what you are pushing. My mother knows hundreds of these children personally and can fill your life with stories of the mistreatment of children all across Idaho because of your denial to help and the policies you are pushing. </P>
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<P>Donovan J. Arnold</P>
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<DIV></DIV>>From: John Harrell <JOHNBHARRELL@YAHOO.COM>
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<DIV></DIV>>To: Donovan Arnold <DONOVANARNOLD@HOTMAIL.COM>, dale@courtneys.us, vision2020@moscow.com
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<DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] MSD and Vouchers
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<DIV></DIV>>Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 23:49:03 -0700 (PDT)
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<DIV></DIV>>Mr. Dovovan Arnold,
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<DIV></DIV>>Wow, you almost got there with this one, didn't you.
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<DIV></DIV>>Parents helping parents. People helping people. Great idea!
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<DIV></DIV>>Parents should get together, without "the government", to determine
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<DIV></DIV>>the best way for them to educate their children. For example, as you
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<DIV></DIV>>support and help one another. This is great! I am all for it! Parental
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<DIV></DIV>>involvement would be wonderful, and as discussed elsewhere, this is
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<DIV></DIV>>Great idea!
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<DIV></DIV>>John Harrell
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<DIV></DIV>>--- Donovan Arnold <DONOVANARNOLD@HOTMAIL.COM>wrote:
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<DIV></DIV>>Imagine a small town with a school of only 100 children.
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<DIV></DIV>>The entire community all chips in, regardless of if they have children or not, to reach
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<DIV></DIV>>Ten of the children have a disability of some kind, five are in dire poverty, and 10 are
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<DIV></DIV>>The ten disabled children and five impoverished children cost the community $400,000. The
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<DIV></DIV>>A group of parents decide that the average cost of educating a child is $10,000 a piece.
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<DIV></DIV>>They also calculate the cost of a neighboring community Christian School only costs
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<DIV></DIV>>So they get their ten grand and 25% of the students transfer to the other private school.
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<DIV></DIV>>The remaining 75 children all applied too, unfortunately, they all did not test high
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<DIV></DIV>>The remaining students consist of the 10 disabled children, 5 impoverished students, and
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<DIV></DIV>>the bottom ranking 2/3 on test scores and a reduced budget of only $750,000.
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<DIV></DIV>>15 of the remaining students take $400,000 of the $750,000. That leaves $350,000 for the
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<DIV></DIV>>Those 60 students are 60% of the original population. They had $7,058 being spent on
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<DIV></DIV>>Why should members of the community contribute to the declined education of 60% of the
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<DIV></DIV>>Why is it that you don't see this concept and the majority of US Citizens do?
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<DIV></DIV>>Why do you ignore these fact?
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<DIV></DIV>>Donovan J Arnold
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