[Vision2020] How one ID school district dealt with declining enrollment
Donovan Arnold
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<P>Boo Hoo! Waahahha. Your surest defense and argument that the public educational system is a failure is yourself as an example. Or your surest defeat of your argument is you were privately educated. You couldn't even answer my questions with your own words. Anytime you want to compare your ideals to mine and see which fits closer to the concepts of Hitler let me know. I fought for 6 six year along side Tony Steward to bring down the Aryan Nations in Hayden Lake when I lived there. 95% of the Minority Vote at UI went to me when I ran for office three times at UI. I have been elected eight times by the most liberal anti-hitler people in Moscow and Coeur d'Alene.</P></DIV>
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<P>You conservatives have been losing ground every day since the inception of educating the public in the United States. And you hate it, attacking the system that makes it so is the last desperate hope you have left to indoctrinate children with false nationalism and ignorance that rationalizes your bigotry, greed, sexism, homophobia, segregationism, and hypocrisy to maintain a rich white male dominated United States.</P>
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<P>I doubt any reasoning will produce much outcome with you. In the words of
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<TD align=right vAlign=top width=200><A href="http://quotes.telemanage.ca/quotes.nsf/quotes/86002a0228023b348525698400190924"><FONT face=arial size=2>Hendrick Van Loon</A></FONT></TD></A></TD>
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<TD align=left vAlign=top width=400><FONT face=arial size=2>Any formal attack on ignorance is bound to fail because the masses are always ready to defend their most precious possession -- their ignorance.</FONT></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
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<P>Lets go through the timeline shall we:</P>
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<P>1865: Slavery abolished, destroys Southern Greed</P>
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<P>1911: End of Private Monopolies</P>
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<P>You obviously are incapable of rational thought or even understanding the definition LIBERAL or CONSERVATIVE. You claim I think like an extreme conservative and an extreme liberal at the same time. Do you propose that a man can be at the highest and lowest point on earth at the same time too? No rational man would claim such is possible. Let me give a few quotes of the philosophy that you DO NOT FOLLOW and I DO:</P>
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<P>1820 Dec. 27. Thomas Jefferson "This institution (University of Virginia) will be based on the illimitable freedom of the human mind. For here we are not afraid to follow truth wherever it may lead, nor to tolerate any error so long as reason is left free to combat it." </P>
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<P><STRONG>1818.</STRONG> "A system of general education, which shall reach every description of our citizens from the richest to the poorest, as it was the earliest, so will it be the latest of all the public concerns in which I shall permit myself to take an interest." Thomas Jefferson</P>
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<P><BR>"A Bible and a newspaper in every house, a good school in every district - all studied and appreciated as they merit - are the principle support of virtue, morality, and civil liberty." Benjamin Franklin-1778</P>
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<P><B><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=4></FONT></B><FONT color=#000000><FONT size=2><B><FONT face=Arial>Quote from </FONT></B><B><FONT face=Arial>Diogenes</FONT></B></FONT></FONT></P></TD>
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<P><B><FONT face=Arial></FONT></B><FONT color=#000000><FONT size=2><B><FONT face=Arial>Quote from </FONT></B><B><FONT face=Arial>Benjamin Disraeli</FONT></B></FONT></FONT></P></TD>
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<TD align=right vAlign=top width=200><A href="http://quotes.telemanage.ca/quotes.nsf/quotes/abaf235413ba808a85256cec00675898"><FONT face=arial size=2>Frederick Douglass</A></FONT></TD></A></FONT></TD>
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<P><FONT face=arial size=2>To educate a man is to unfit him to be a slave.</FONT></P><FONT size=2>
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<TD align=right vAlign=top width=200><A href="http://quotes.telemanage.ca/quotes.nsf/quotes/fdf9007e3866ae4785256cdb001072c3"><FONT face=arial size=2>Thomas Jefferson</A></FONT></TD></A></FONT></TD>
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<TD align=right vAlign=top width=200><A href="http://quotes.telemanage.ca/quotes.nsf/quotes/08ba93553523711285256c8f005c476a"><FONT face=arial size=2>Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.</A></FONT></TD></A></FONT></TD>
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<TD align=right vAlign=top width=200><A href="http://quotes.telemanage.ca/quotes.nsf/quotes/86002a0228023b348525698400190924"><FONT face=arial size=2>Hendrick Van Loon</A></FONT></TD></A></FONT></TD>
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<TD align=left vAlign=top width=400><FONT face=arial size=2>Any formal attack on ignorance is bound to fail because the masses are always ready to defend their most precious possession -- their ignorance.</FONT></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
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<P>You follow the following people:</P>
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<TD align=right vAlign=top width=200><A href="http://quotes.telemanage.ca/quotes.nsf/quotes/607f94626e86f21785256c88001320b7"><FONT face=arial size=2>Frank Zappa</A></FONT></TD></A></FONT></TD>
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<TD align=left vAlign=top width=400><FONT face=arial size=2>Drop out of school before your mind rots from exposure to our mediocre educational system. Forget about the Senior Prom and go to the library and educate yourself if you've got any guts. Some of you like pep rallies and plastic robots who tell you what to read. Forget I mentioned it... Rise for the flag salute.</FONT></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
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<TD align=right vAlign=top width=200><A href="http://quotes.telemanage.ca/quotes.nsf/quotes/fe8c96fa6f3a9b0d85256cdb001072d5"><FONT face=arial size=2>Will Rogers</A></FONT></TD></A></FONT></TD>
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<TD align=left vAlign=top width=400><FONT face=arial size=2>Some of these days they are going to remove so much of the 'hooey' and the thousands of things the schools have become clogged up with, and we will find that we can educate our broods for about one-tenth of the price and learn 'em something that they might accidentally use after they escape.</FONT></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
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<TD align=right vAlign=top width=200><A href="http://quotes.telemanage.ca/quotes.nsf/quotes/34d0b3ecb851f8d085256cdb001072d1"><FONT face=arial size=2>Ronald Reagan</A></FONT></TD></A></FONT></TD>
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<TD align=left vAlign=top width=400><FONT face=arial size=2>We developed at the local school district level probably the best public school system in the world. Or it was until the Federal government added Federal interference to Federal financial aid and eroded educational quality in the process.</FONT></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
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<TD align=left vAlign=top width=400><FONT face=arial size=2>The Trilateralist Commission is international...(and)...is intended to be the vehicle for multinational consolidation of the commercial and banking interests by seizing control of the political government of the United States. The Trilateralist Commission represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate the four centers of power - political, monetary, intellectual, and ecclesiastical.</FONT></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
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<P>"When schools do not teach and will not change, parents and students must have other meaningful options, "If somebody's got a better idea, I hope they bring it forward." </P>
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<P>You follow the minds of morons. I follow the minds of the greatest people to grace the Earth. You really expect the common person to give you sole ability to determine the future of anyone when you follow Dubya over the intelligence of Thomas Jefferson? Such would be scandalous and downright immoral. You lost in the past, you are losing now, and will always lose in the future. Liberals will always win. Even Strom Thurmond moved way to the left before he died. Humans make progress, thus the liberals will always win and conservatives will always lose.</P>
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<P>Donovan J. Arnold</FONT></P></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></FONT></EM></STRONG><BR>
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<DIV></DIV>>From: John Harrell <JOHNBHARRELL@YAHOO.COM>
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<DIV></DIV>>To: Donovan Arnold <DONOVANARNOLD@HOTMAIL.COM>, thansen@moscow.com, vision2020@moscow.com
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<DIV></DIV>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] How one ID school district dealt with declining enrollment
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<DIV></DIV>>Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 21:42:58 -0700 (PDT)
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<DIV></DIV>>Your thinking is flawed. You seem to have this modernistic thought that requires
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<DIV></DIV>>that the government do everything for us. The same thought as Marx, and Lenin,
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<DIV></DIV>>et al. You think progressive taxes are good, that government controlled education
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<DIV></DIV>>all services are good. Iraq's dictator had the same kind of thinking, as did
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<DIV></DIV>>Hitler. This kind of thinking has been proven to be false and no longer a valid
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<DIV></DIV>>Your liberal thought has been wrong in the past, wrong now, and will always
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<DIV></DIV>>Why should the government control and dictate education? This is a thought process
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<DIV></DIV>>Here let me help you understand the kinds of people that you are associating
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<DIV></DIV>>QUOTATION: When an opponent declares, “I will not come over to your side,” I
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<DIV></DIV>>calmly say, “Your child belongs to us already.... What are you? You will pass
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<DIV></DIV>>ATTRIBUTION: Adolf Hitler (1889–1945), German dictator. speech, Nov. 6, 1933.
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<DIV></DIV>>Quoted in William L. Shirer, “Education in the Third Reich,” ch. 8, The Rise
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<DIV></DIV>>and Fall of the Third Reich (1959); speaking about the schools and their
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<DIV></DIV>>Norman Thomas, Socialist and member of the Civil Liberties Union, boldly
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<DIV></DIV>>Ross L. Finny, a socialist PhD in one of his books tells us this; "Everything
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<DIV></DIV>>Lastly, the American Humanist Association understands the importance of
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<DIV></DIV>>I am just confused as to the way you are thinking. I am not implying you don't care for
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<DIV></DIV>> >To: thansen@moscow.com, vision2020@moscow.com
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<DIV></DIV>> >Subject: RE: [Vision2020] How one ID school district dealt with declining enrollment
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<DIV></DIV>> >But will you really allow me to decide what is best for my childrens future? Or will you
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<DIV></DIV>>what is best for my children. Get your nose out my family! But typical of most liberals,
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