[Vision2020] response to donovan arnold
Douglas Stambler
stopchristchurch@yahoo.com
Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:52:32 -0700 (PDT)
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Donovan:
What is the clinical definition of "mental illness?"
And weren't many slanderous things also said about Joseph Smith (a founder of the Mormon Church), and aren't there still slanderous remarks made about Mormons today? My assertion that I am head prophet of the world is rooted in the Mormon tradition - a man by the name of Gordon B. Hinckley is the current head prophet of the Church - and Mormons believe that their church is the true church in all of the world. So, that would make Gordon B. Hinckley HEAD prophet of the world's church, right? Yes. If you think that they are delusional, that's your right - they may or MAY NOT be. Should all Mormons check into hospitals just because they believe that their church is the only right church in the world. Please, Donovan, get a grip, you might even try praying to Jesus once in a while for some clarity.
Anyway, my claim is that The Book of Mormon has been fulfilled, and that I am the next head prophet in line. Now, just because I don't have a church to back me with this, doesn't mean that I'm mentally ill. When people say that reincarnation is possible, I say that there is no evidence that we are reincarnated: yet, people concoct entire religions from that foolish notion that today I am a human and yesterday I was a cow or a fly.
But aren't all religions just a little bit foolish, anyway, Donovan? You have to admit, something's wrong in the world regarding religion...well, I happen to think that I know how to resolve those basic problems with the world's theosophies. If that makes me smarter than anyone around, then fine.
I believe that we are in the period referred to in The Book of Revelation (New Testament) as The End Times. And, so I have no interest in putting down roots, when all I see is evidence (concrete evidence) that the universities, churches, places of business, most forms of government, will all be blown from their foundations by a spiritual wind that is blowing through each one of us. I want to be clear on this: I'm NOT EVER trying to start a religion, I'm just trying to get people to bring God into their daily lives, so that we can all live better - but there is so much evil afoot these days, Donovan - and...you're a part of it.
In Christ,
Douglas Stambler
onovan Arnold <donovanarnold@hotmail.com> wrote:
You know folks,
At first, I despised Stambler. Now I just feel sorry for him. It is clear he is mentally ill and needs help. He has no friends, no family, and no ability to get hired, much less maintain a job. His statements that he is "the smartest guy around" a future "President of the United States" a "Prophet" and a "Sheer" is only part of the evidence of his mental delusions of self grandeur. It is sad that someone has to believe this about themselves to think they are worth something.
Making such statements about oneself in a public forum is a sure sign of mental disorder. I think Douglas needs serious professional help. Is there anyone on Vision2020 that knows how Douglas can use government services to give him the help that he needs? I think this would be of better use then giving him a ticket to Connecticut where he will continue to damage himself and others with mental delusions and false statements about others.
I don't mean to sound like a bleeding heart liberal here, but really, if someone had a physical ailment, would we ignore and mistreat them? So what is the difference between an outside disability and internal one? A brain can be just as dysfunctional as an outside appendage. Clearly Douglas does not think he is mentally ill. However, how many people do that are?
Donovan J Arnold
>From: Douglas Stambler
>To: vision2020@moscow.com
>Subject: [Vision2020] Regarding The Lawsuits Against Christ Church
>Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:08:13 -0700 (PDT)
>
>I kindly ask the person who asked me to help them with their lawsuit against Christ Church to come forward -in the name of Christ- and tell the forum that I am not making up these charges. I will not violate the confidence you placed in me when you e-mailed me and asked me to help you, but I refuse to take this forum's abuse about me making things up. Please come forward and air your lawsuit out in public.
>
>Thank you.
>
>In Christ,
>Dogulas Stambler
>
>
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<DIV>Donovan:</DIV>
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<DIV>What is the clinical definition of "mental illness?"</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>And weren't many slanderous things also said about Joseph Smith (a founder of the Mormon Church), and aren't there still slanderous remarks made about Mormons today? My assertion that I am head prophet of the world is rooted in the Mormon tradition - a man by the name of Gordon B. Hinckley is the current head prophet of the Church - and Mormons believe that their church is the true church in all of the world. So, that would make Gordon B. Hinckley HEAD prophet of the world's church, right? Yes. If you think that they are delusional, that's your right - they may or MAY NOT be. Should all Mormons check into hospitals just because they believe that their church is the only right church in the world. Please, Donovan, get a grip, you might even try praying to Jesus once in a while for some clarity.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Anyway, my claim is that The Book of Mormon has been fulfilled, and that I am the next head prophet in line. Now, just because I don't have a church to back me with this, doesn't mean that I'm mentally ill. When people say that reincarnation is possible, I say that there is no evidence that we are reincarnated: yet, people concoct entire religions from that foolish notion that today I am a human and yesterday I was a cow or a fly.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>But aren't all religions just a little bit foolish, anyway, Donovan? You have to admit, something's wrong in the world regarding religion...well, I happen to think that I know how to resolve those basic problems with the world's theosophies. If that makes me smarter than anyone around, then fine. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I believe that we are in the period referred to in The Book of Revelation (New Testament) as The End Times. And, so I have no interest in putting down roots, when all I see is evidence (concrete evidence) that the universities, churches, places of business, most forms of government, will all be blown from their foundations by a spiritual wind that is blowing through each one of us. I want to be clear on this: I'm NOT EVER trying to start a religion, I'm just trying to get people to bring God into their daily lives, so that we can all live better - but there is so much evil afoot these days, Donovan - and...you're a part of it.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>In Christ,</DIV>
<DIV>Douglas Stambler</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>onovan Arnold <donovanarnold@hotmail.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<P>You know folks,</P>
<P>At first, I despised Stambler. Now I just feel sorry for him. It is clear he is mentally ill and needs help. He has no friends, no family, and no ability to get hired, much less maintain a job. His statements that he is "the smartest guy around" a future "President of the United States" a "Prophet" and a "Sheer" is only part of the evidence of his mental delusions of self grandeur. It is sad that someone has to believe this about themselves to think they are worth something.</P></DIV>
<P>Making such statements about oneself in a public forum is a sure sign of mental disorder. I think Douglas needs serious professional help. Is there anyone on Vision2020 that knows how Douglas can use government services to give him the help that he needs? I think this would be of better use then giving him a ticket to Connecticut where he will continue to damage himself and others with mental delusions and false statements about others.</P>
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<P>I don't mean to sound like a bleeding heart liberal here, but really, if someone had a physical ailment, would we ignore and mistreat them? So what is the difference between an outside disability and internal one? A brain can be just as dysfunctional as an outside appendage. Clearly Douglas does not think he is mentally ill. However, how many people do that are?</P>
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<P>Donovan J Arnold<BR><BR></P>
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<DIV></DIV>>From: Douglas Stambler <STOPCHRISTCHURCH@YAHOO.COM>
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<DIV></DIV>>To: vision2020@moscow.com
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<DIV></DIV>>Subject: [Vision2020] Regarding The Lawsuits Against Christ Church
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<DIV></DIV>>Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:08:13 -0700 (PDT)
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<DIV></DIV>>I kindly ask the person who asked me to help them with their lawsuit against Christ Church to come forward -in the name of Christ- and tell the forum that I am not making up these charges. I will not violate the confidence you placed in me when you e-mailed me and asked me to help you, but I refuse to take this forum's abuse about me making things up. Please come forward and air your lawsuit out in public.
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<DIV></DIV>>Thank you.
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<DIV></DIV>>In Christ,
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<DIV></DIV>>Dogulas Stambler
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