[Vision2020] enough already

Ellen Roskovich gussie443@hotmail.com
Mon, 23 Jun 2003 20:00:49 -0700


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<P><STRONG><FONT color=#000099 size=4>I do not understand why D.S. is still around making crazy posts to vision2020.&nbsp; Some of us have been subscribers long enough to remember back 5 years or so when FSR pulled the plug on a woman at the UI and purged the archives of all&nbsp;her posts.&nbsp; It has been done in the past.....why can't it happen again?&nbsp; Of course then it involved a local lawyer, law enforcement, the courts, etc. With that line-up I'm sure that when someone whispered "lawsuit" FSR sat up and took notice.&nbsp; </FONT></STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG><FONT color=#000099 size=4>E.A. Roskovich, Moscow, ID</FONT></STRONG></P>
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;From: Bill London <LONDON@MOSCOW.COM>
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Reply-To: london@moscow.com 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;To: Dale Courtney <DALE@COURTNEYS.US>
<DIV></DIV>&gt;CC: vision2020@moscow.com, bill moore <BMOORE@FSR.COM>
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Subject: Re: [Vision2020] enough already 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:47:05 -0700 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Regarding the court case both your citations referred to (Laurence 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Godfrey's suit against an ISP called Demon for not removing a posting he 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;thought was defamatory): 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;I really do not think this is relevant to a suit against V2020 or FSR. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Primarily because the case was in England, which has very different 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;libel laws and no free speech first amendment right. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;As the ABC news report notes: 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;A case like Godfrey’s could never happen in the US, Balkin 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; said. That’s because the Telecom Act of 1996 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;established 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; a “safe harbor” for Internet providers where they are 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;not 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; responsible for the contents of their services. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; “The whole idea was to relieve the liability 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;pressure on 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; Internet service providers so they wouldn’t be squeezed 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; into removing things from newsgroups,” as has happened 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;in 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; the Demon case, Balkin said. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;I still think the core issue is free speech. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;BL 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Dale Courtney wrote: 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Tom, You may want to review some recent court cases where ISPs (in 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; both the USA and UK) have been held liable. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; * http://www.vnunet.com/Features/80998 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; * http://abcnews.go.com/sections/tech/DailyNews/demon000331_segan.html 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; I can provide more if you are interested. I'm not saying that an ISP 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; should be responsible for what is hosted on their hardware. However, 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; the courts are thinking that ISPs are more like newspapers. Best,Dale 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Courtney 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; ----- Original Message ----- 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; From: Tom Hansen 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; To: Dale Courtney ; vision2020@moscow.com 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 17:11 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Subject: RE: [Vision2020] enough already 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; I definitely agree that Mr. Stambler should be removed from 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; this listserve. He was "ignorable" earlier. But now that 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; he mentions names, it has gone a bit past the ignoring 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; stage.Also, I seriously doubt that FSR can be held liable 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; for comments made on this listserve. If ISP's could be held 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; liable for comments made on their listserve, could you even 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; begin to imagine the potential law suits originating in chat 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; rooms?If I were a "damaged" party from any of these comments 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; by Mr. Stambler, I wouldn't bring action against FSR. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Why?? I would seek legal counsel and pursue Mr. Stambler.It 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; is just that simple.Take care,Tom Hansen 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
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