[Vision2020] enough already
Donovan Arnold
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<P>I agree with you to the extent that slander and libel lie in the courts. I also agree with you on the issue of freedom of speech. However, when someone accuses someone else in the community of being a "pedophile" or an "adulterer" or "rapist" or being "criminal", this extends the lines of most community standards beyond acceptable reason. You also assume that people that visit this site are aware of Mr. Stambler's long string of idiotic and unfounded posts. I believe that when you accuse people of such things that cost them their job, and in some cases, spark vigilantism justice and someone's life. Everything has limits. If I were to tell your neighbors that you were a sexual predator, would that not impact your life? Would not the least of sane mother's take this accusation seriously? Their are some things you can say, like "I think you are a jerk" or "I think you are an idiot" or "I wouldn't doubt it if you slept with your mother." But claiming someone sexually pre!
ys on juveniles, or is stealing money from you, or is cheating on you, are highly emotion issues that should not be toyed with, they can and do cost people's lives. I don't think Vision2020 should be used as a catalyst to spread financial and social ruin for individual members of the Moscow-Pullman community. I am strongly opposed to this. Stambler's accusation could result in someone getting hurting or even killing someone. This is no longer funny, it is sick and must be stopped before it goes to far and someone gets seriously hurt. If he was ever was correct about anything he said he would first present evidence then let people draw their own conclusion, not make accusations and then say he will produce evidence, and never does. This is McCarthyism, and it must stop NOW!</P></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>>From: hayman@moscow.com
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<DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] enough already
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<DIV></DIV>>Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 23:08:34 GMT
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<DIV></DIV>>I agree with the public disdain of a certain individual's perceived lack of
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<DIV></DIV>>However, like the TV, turn it off. The delete key works. He will not quit
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<DIV></DIV>>By virtue of the web, this forum is global, not only local. Our lives and
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<DIV></DIV>>perspectives are made larger through discourse. Libel and slander lie
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<DIV></DIV>>As well, the attention lavished upon such a misguided (in postings)
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<P>I agree Jack!</P>
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<DIV></DIV>>someone or something. But Doug Stambler has gone WAY overboard
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<DIV></DIV>>regardless of what they may or may not did or do. I suggest that we do the
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<DIV></DIV>>Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:43:43 -0700
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