[Vision2020] Fed Educational Funding
Donovan Arnold
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<P>As I am sure you already know. Minors do not get their "right" to a free education from the US Constitution, they get it from the constitutions of the various 50 states and WDC. The Federal Government can authorize any spending on anything it wishes provided that the funding is passed in bill form and follows the articles and amendments of the constitution. It could easily be argued, and has been successfully in courts that <A href="http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#A1Sec8Cl18">Article 1, Section 8, Clause 18</A> of the US Constitution allows Congress the ability to establish programs and departments and to fund them. The tenth amendment also states that all rights not defined or prohibited by the constitution are reserved to the people. Or in other words, the people can make laws that are not in direct violation with US Constitution.</P>
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<P>In terms of funding the UN. The President has the authority to make laws and treaties with the advise and consent of the Senate. Nothing prohibits that treaty from including cash providing they get the amount approved from the House of Representatives or is taken from some prior approved budget by Congress.</P>
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<P>In terms of what the UN Charter says I don't really care to look that up because it is irrelevant considering that the US does not, nor ever has, paid the money to the UN as it agreed to do. Furthermore, the UN has a budget of only about $5 billion. Which isn't really anything in comparison to the world GP.</P>
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<DIV></DIV>>"Never mind the federal government spends about $26 Billion on education.."
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<DIV></DIV>>That is an awful lot of money the federal government is spending. I am sure
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<DIV></DIV>>you show me where in the UN Charter, it is authorized to be spending money on
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<DIV></DIV>>education? So my next question would be, if the federal government can be
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<DIV></DIV>>we draw the line, if one should even be drawn, regarding who (or what entity)
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<DIV></DIV>>--- Donovan Arnold <DONOVANARNOLD@HOTMAIL.COM>wrote:
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<DIV></DIV>>Phil Wrote: "School budget repair:
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<DIV></DIV>>Then why stop here Phil at 30 if: Large Class size = better test scores?
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<DIV></DIV>>Lets pack those kids in like sardines. How about we make the each grade one giant class.
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<DIV></DIV>>Great Idea! This will work too if we have 100 students per class. Who gives a crap about
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<DIV></DIV>>fire regulations, RIGHT PHIL? Let those little brats burn if they can't squeeze outta da
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<DIV></DIV>>building in time, besides, less children means less school and that means LESS TAXES!
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<DIV></DIV>>What about room for children in wheelchairs? Who cares about this either huh, they can
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<DIV></DIV>>Cafeteria space, no problem either, they can all eat outside too, this will toughen them
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<DIV></DIV>>Yes the Unions would deserve this especially if your plan makes it through.
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<DIV></DIV>>Both of them will be so pleased Phil and grateful for your just treatment despite the 16
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<DIV></DIV>>amounts of money to make sure we got an education doesn't not mean we owe one thing to
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<DIV></DIV>>screwing over the future of countless numbers of children so that I can have a better
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<DIV></DIV>>cigarettes and illegal drugs then the future of our children. Never mind the federal
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<DIV></DIV>>government spends about $26 Billion on education but $400 billion on weapons to kill
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<DIV></DIV>>unsuspecting women and children halfway across the world. We need to make sure we can by
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<DIV></DIV>>now while pretending to be innocent good willed Christians, it is appearance that counts,
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<DIV></DIV>> >From: Cjsnightclub@aol.com
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<DIV></DIV>> >Subject: [Vision2020] Common Sense
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