[Vision2020] city taxes

Mon, 28 Jul 2003 17:28:04 -0700

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John,

One reason for the increase in the cost of water is that Moscow was only
charging for the cost of pumping/storing the water; then charging for the
delivery fee (to your house). One thing that was not being costed was the
"worth" of the water itself. 

If we were in an area with a tremendous amount of water readily available
for "free", then the water itself doesn't cost much. However, in an
environment of depleting water, there is a real "value" to the water that
needs to be charged. 

Consider it the "Net Present Value" of our aquifer water  :)

Best,
Dale

  _____  

From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com] On
Behalf Of John Danahy
Sent: Monday, 28 July, 2003 17:21
To: 'Jon Kimberling'; 'Vision2020'
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] city taxes

Jon; 

Thanks for responding.

The 4% for water, is that basic rate or actual usage, or both?  Also, why
increase rates at this time when less than a year ago basic rate doubled?  I
think I remember, shortly after the pump was fixed, the city announcing that
the water department was broke, and rates were doubled.

And Jon, if the city was receiving reduced revenues from the state, why did
the city significantly increase salaries for top administrators?

Thanks again.

John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Kimberling [mailto:jon@n-k-ins.com] 
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 12:47 PM
To: John Danahy; Vision2020
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] city tazes

John- the city budget for the coming year provides for the following
increases:

3% property tax increase(as allowed by State law)

$25,436 of previously available but not taken property tax- this is catch up
for an overly conservative estimate made a year ago on the growth of our tax
base

4% for sewer rates

4% for water rates

I would note that prior to this year the City had taken a total of 10% of
the 24% available over the last 8 years. Other sister institutions in the
state have consistently taken their 3% annually.

One of the reasons for the increase is that the City is receiving reduced
revenues from the State. Specifically, our revenues from the State including
state-share revenues, sales tax and highway user fees are all lagging. I'm
hopeful that last months positive revenue report from the State is the
beginning of a positive trend about the business climate within the state.

Thanks for the question.

Jon Kimberling

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From: John  <mailto:jdanahy@turbonet.com> Danahy 

To: Vision2020 <mailto:vision2020@moscow.com>  

Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 9:10 PM

Subject: [Vision2020] city tazes

I heard somewhere that the city of Moscow has decided to raise local
property taxes by 4%.  Is this true?  And if so, Why?

John

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color=3D#800000 size=3D2>One reason for the increase in the cost of =
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<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft>Consider it&nbsp;the "Net Present Value" of our =
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water&nbsp; :)</DIV>
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 [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com] On Behalf Of John=20
 Danahy Sent: Monday, 28 July, 2003 17:21 To: 'Jon=20
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 responding.
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 <SPAN=20
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water, is=20
 that basic rate or actual usage, or both?&nbsp; Also, why increase =
rates at=20
 this time when less than a year ago basic rate doubled?&nbsp; I think =
I=20
 remember, shortly after the pump was fixed, the city announcing that =
the water=20
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 <SPAN=20
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Arial">&nbsp;
 <SPAN=20
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the city=20
 was receiving reduced revenues from the state, why did the city =
significantly=20
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Jon=20
 Kimberling [mailto:jon@n-k-ins.com] <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 =
12:47=20
 PM To: John Danahy; =

  Vision2020<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> =
Re:=20
  [Vision2020] city tazes</SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">John- the city budget =
for the=20
  coming year provides for the following =
increases:</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
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  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">3% property tax =
increase(as=20
  allowed by State law)</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">$25,436&nbsp;of =
previously=20
  available but not taken property tax- this is catch up for an overly=20
  conservative estimate made a year ago on the growth of our tax=20
  base</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">4% for sewer=20
  rates</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">4% for water=20
  rates</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
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12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I would note that prior =
to this=20
  year&nbsp;the City had taken a total of 10% of the 24% available over =
the last=20
  8 years. Other sister institutions in the state have consistently =
taken their=20
  3% annually.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
  size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">One of the reasons for =
the=20
  increase is that the City is receiving reduced revenues from the =
State.=20
  Specifically,&nbsp;our&nbsp;revenues from the State including =
state-share=20
  revenues, sales tax&nbsp;and</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DArial><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">highway user fees are =
all lagging.=20
  I'm hopeful that last months positive revenue report from the State is =
the=20
  beginning of a positive trend about the business climate within the=20
  state.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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    [Vision2020] city tazes</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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    of Moscow has decided to raise local property taxes by 4%.&nbsp; Is =
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