Fw: [Vision2020] Christ Church...
Gregory Dickison
gdickison@moscow.com
Thu, 24 Jul 2003 08:03:12 -0700
Dear Visionaries:
Here we go again. Homework not done (I *have* done mine on this),
assumptions made, a baseless slander set forth, and a defense demanded from
the accused.
And so it goes.
Cheers,
Gregory C. Dickison
Lawyer & Counselor at Law
Post Office Box 8846
312 South Main Street
Moscow, Idaho 83843
(208) 882-4009
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen@moscow.com>
> To: "Ted Moffett" <ted_moffett@hotmail.com>; <dkaag@turbonet.com>
> Cc: <vision2020@moscow.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 5:56 AM
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Christ Church...
>
>
> > Greetings Visionaires -
> >
> > Question concerning the New St. Andrews College: I understand that
> > tax-exempt entities cannot actively participate in politics (i.e.
> > contributions to political parties). Since the bakery part of SNA is
not
> > tax-exempt, could St. Andrews contribute to a political party/candidate
> > through the bakery (something similar to money laundering)? I realize
> that
> > this may be be unethical/illegal, but it also seems far too tempting for
> > SNA.
> >
> > Tom Hansen
> > Moscow, Idaho
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com
[mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Ted Moffett
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 8:29 PM
> > > To: dkaag@turbonet.com
> > > Cc: vision2020@moscow.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Christ Church...
> > >
> > >
> > > Don and All:
> > >
> > > Part of the political process that we all ostensibly have a right to
> > > participate in involves, as everyone knows, focusing on the conduct
and
> > > impact of groups whose agenda someone disagrees with to galvanize
> > > opposition
> > > to said group.
> > >
> > > In terms of Christ Church, St, Andrews and Logos, let everyone
> > > who wishes to
> > > comment on these groups and their agenda have their say. And
> > > Christ Church
> > > and Logos supporters can have their say. Pile it on! The more
> > > the merrier.
> > >
> > > What bothers me is the stereotyping and misleading "facts" being
> > > presented
> > > from any and all sides.
> > >
> > > But then again, is this not how politics works? If you can get your
> > > unpleasant stereotype to stick to your opponent, or promote
> > > misleading facts
> > > that make your agenda look good, you score points in the
> > > political arena.
> > > The issue in politics is often not TRUTH, but IMAGE. And US vs.
> > > THEM is a
> > > real psychological motivating engine to create group unity to further
a
> > > cause.
> > >
> > > Part of the problem with progressives is they are too open minded and
> > > relativistic, too tolerant of other viewpoints, so they do not
> > > organize in
> > > groups with sufficient cohesion and power and fiery "true
> > > believer" fervor!
> > > This is one reason the progressives in America are on the ropes.
> > >
> > > Certainly the true believers at Christ Church do see the
> > > dichotomy between
> > > them and the non-believers as a real division that makes a
> > > difference. They
> > > do not see progressives in the phrasing of Mr. Kaag: "They" is
> > > us! To deny
> > > this is to deny reality!
> > >
> > > Anyways, I have spent some enjoyable times in Bucers, one night
> > > discussing
> > > St. Anselm's ontological argument for the existence of God. A rather
> > > interesting argument you rarely hear the faithful make.
> > >
> > > Ted
> > >
> > > >From: Don Kaag <dkaag@turbonet.com>
> > > >To: Vision2020 <vision2020@moscow.com>
> > > >Subject: [Vision2020] Christ Church...
> > > >Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 07:57:13 -0700
> > > >
> > > >Visionaries:
> > > >
> > > >Is anyone else getting tired of the constant sniping at Christ
> > > Church and
> > > >Logos that occurs on this site?
> > > >
> > > >Is there nothing else in Moscow and environs that attracts people's
> > > >attention, or that is worthy of discussion? Let's talk about the
> aquifer
> > > >some more, or the paucity of decent restaurants.
> > > >
> > > >We live, ostensibly, in a free republic, with separation of church
and
> > > >state. No one, so far as I know, is holding a gun to anyone's head
and
> > > >forcing them to attend Christ Church or to send their kids to Logos.
> So
> > > >what's the problem? Why can't the "progressive" people in this
> > > community
> > > >who talk loudly and constantly about freedom of speech, and
> > > equal treatment
> > > >for ethnic and gender minorities, and whine about how George W. Bush
> > > >"stole" the presidency, allow the members of Christ Church the same
> > > >freedoms they trumpet so loudly for their various groups and
> > > causes? Oh, I
> > > >know---the Christ Church folks are just not "like us"!
> > > >
> > > >I have lost count of the conversations with "progressive" friends,
and
> > > >overheard comments in the Moscow High School faculty lounge and other
> > > >venues that dealt with "them" (i.e., Doug Wilson and his
> > > congregation...)
> > > >trying to "take over" Moscow.
> > > >
> > > >I have been told by friends that I should not patronize Bucers
> > > (and now the
> > > >new bakery on Friendship Square), because the people who own and
> > > run it are
> > > >members of Christ Church. What has that got to do with the quality
of
> > > >their coffee or their cinnamon rolls? I like Bucers, although I
> > > would be
> > > >happy to have an alternative place which puts smokers off in a room
by
> > > >themselves, plays soft classical music, has
intellectually-challenging
> > > >books to read, and serves reasonably good wine by the glass.
> > > Someone else
> > > >open another place like Bucers, and I will spend time there, too.
The
> > > >Corner Club or the Slurp 'n Burp just won't cut it---I dislike
> > > second-hand
> > > >smoke and I loathe country and western music.
> > > >
> > > >If I bothered to take the time to do a religious background
> > > check on every
> > > >establishment I do business with in Moscow, I wouldn't have the
> > > time to do
> > > >anything else. Perhaps it would save time if the City Council
> > > required any
> > > >business owned and operated by a Christ Church congregant to
> > > paint a large
> > > >cross on their window, or maybe they could be forced to wear a
> > > little cloth
> > > >cross sewn prominently to their clothing? Then we would all know
which
> > > >establishments were run by "Untermenchen" in our town, and could
avoid
> > > >giving them our business.
> > > >
> > > > Rumors abound. "They" are soliciting other conservative Christians
> to
> > > >move here and join their congregation, in an attempt to take over the
> > > >political process. "They" are trying to destroy the public
> > > school system.
> > > >"They", now that New Saint Andrews College has taken over the old GTE
> > > >building, will take over Friendship Square.
> > > >
> > > >Hey, reality check... "They" is us. People who live and work
> > > and worship
> > > >in this community are members of this community. Christ Church
members
> > > >live here. They pay taxes. If they want to be involved in the
> > > political
> > > >process, or encourage their friends to move here, because it is
> > > a nice to
> > > >live and raise a family, more power to them. And if they organize,
> work
> > > >hard, and are willing to donate time to community affairs, and they
> > > >out-organize the local "progressives" (who are already a
> > > political minority
> > > >in this most Republican of states...) and have themselves
> > > elected to local
> > > >and state office, that's the way the political process works.
> > > >
> > > >If you don't like it, you are certainly welcome to work harder, or
open
> > > >your own school, or get more "progressive" friends to move here,
> > > or run for
> > > >political office. Until then, find a new obsession, and stop
> > > complaining!
> > > >
> > > >Regards,
> > > >
> > > >Don Kaag
> > > >
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