[Vision2020] Please Help our dying troops!
Donovan Arnold
donovanarnold@hotmail.com
Sat, 19 Jul 2003 20:59:45 -0700
Don,
"You haven't the foggiest idea what you are talking about, and
>obviously haven't thought through calling a man who wore his country's
>uniform for 20 years, and put his life on the line for you and those like
>you, such demeaning things."
Good for you! your right! I should NOT call the guy that molested my
neighbors kids for three years a hypocrite because he served 40 years in the
armed forced and was injured in Vietnam. You would like to invite him to
your house??
I should not call Oliver North a nonpatriot either despite the fact that he
helped fund a drug cartel that gunned down villages.
Nor should I call a guy who was injured in a training exercise an expatriot
for calling a guy who gets his legs blow off a wimp!
You are so shallow to twist my arguments around KAAG. I was not criticizing
Mr. Hansen for his service. I was criticizing him for his lack of compassion
to the men in uniform. IF YOU BOTHERED TO read my last post you would see
that I THANKED HIM FOR IT.
I am the one trying to get people to help the troops. And help the families
without fathers.
Instead you try to TWIST my argument into an attack on Mr. Hansen's service.
I have no quarelles with that. AND YOU KNOW THAT YOU
ASSHOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I would like to meet you in person Mr. Kaag, how damn DARE you accuse me of
that. I have spent my whole life supporting the military and their families.
And disabled people including veterans. Anybody in this town knows that.
Yeah, I will show you how much of a bleeding heart liberal I am! Come over
here you sorry, demented excuse for a life!
Donovan J Arnold
>From: Don Kaag <dkaag@turbonet.com>
>To: Vision2020 <vision2020@moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Please Help our dying troops!
>Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 15:35:36 -0700
>
>Mr. Arnold:
>
>I take exception to your rude address of Tom Hansen, questioning his
>integrity and committment and calling him a hypocrite. Even for an
>immature, clueless, bleeding heart like you, that is slimy.
>
>You haven't the foggiest idea what you are talking about, and obviously
>haven't thought through calling a man who wore his country's uniform for 20
>years, and put his life on the line for you and those like you, such
>demeaning things.
>
>And stop whining, because the military is not responsible for your personal
>angst. Talk about self-centered... now your "service in the military"
>consists of being weaned and potty-trained while your father was at sea!
>Do you think that you are the only child born while their father was
>deployed? Millions of children born during World War II fit that
>description, and many thousands since.
>
>Get a grip. If you feel so strongly about how the military is being
>mistreated, try being part of the solution. How about heading on down to
>the mall and raising your right hand for a four year tour?
>
> I didn't think so.
>
>Until then, shut up.
>
>Don Kaag
>
>
>On Saturday, July 19, 2003, at 03:12 PM, Donovan Arnold wrote:
>
>>Well Tom,
>>
>>Now you know how offended I feel about! Irritating isn't it? I have every
>>right to insult a man that insults our troops. I will do it again, and
>>again, and again. For someone that says he supports his troops, you ain't
>>doing much about it now are you? WAKE UP Mr. Hansen! Are troops are
>>getting picked off one by one everyday, they are sitting ducks that can't
>>do crap about it. Even the Centcom Commander has stated the troops' needs
>>are being ignored by higher members of the military. The only reason you
>>spent one year in Vietnam was because people back in the states fought
>>against it. They didn't say "Oh what a bunch of pussies." Yet, you having
>>been there, and won't even write ONE letter to ONE person to ask that
>>their commanders address a few of their concerns. That is called
>>hypocritical. I think you should be ashamed.
>>As for my service to the military, it was not the same as yours. But it
>>was none the less very costly. I never even knew my father until I 12
>>years old. My father was gone all the time until then. I never got to play
>>ball with my daddy. He never taught me to ride a bike, or play baseball.
>>It was my older brother that took on this role. WHY? Because my dad was
>>gone all the time, on tours on ships. Sometimes, I would not see my father
>>for 6-8 months at a time. He was not even around when I was born!
>>When I see children all across this country suffer the same fate of a mom
>>or dad being gone for one-five years at a time, if they return at all, for
>>the sake of this stupid unjust war, if makes my blood boil. Their is no
>>reason men and women should be away from their spouses and children for
>>that long. Some children have both parents over there. BOTH! No parents.
>>What kind of crap is that Mr. Hansen?
>>If you don't have the courage to say something for the sake of our Troops
>>or their families than I question your integrity and commitment to the
>>welfare of the American People. If you have, then thanks, don't write back
>>implying that you have not and ruffel my feathers. If you don't write, to
>>any authority, I have zero respect for you because you are hypocrit to get
>>advantages for people protesting here against the unjust war you were in
>>BUT will not do the same for others in the same situation.
>>
>>Donovan J Arnold
>>
>>
>>>From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen@moscow.com>
>>>Reply-To: <thansen@moscow.com>
>>>To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanarnold@hotmail.com>
>>>CC: <vision2020@moscow.com>
>>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Please Help our dying troops!
>>>Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 14:32:09 -0700
>>>
>>>Mr. Arnold -
>>>
>>>You stated:
>>>
>>>"Are you such a man that nothing would cause you to speak out for the
>>>other
>>>troops in your unit and take the reprimand?"
>>>
>>>How f***ing dare you even imply that I would not support my troops.
>>>
>>>I have gone to bat for troops within my squad (and later my platoon)
>>>several
>>>times. I have gone as far as putting my stripes on the Battalion
>>>Commander's desk. That is part of being an NCO. I feel that if my
>>>troops
>>>do not feel comfortable approaching me with a problem, then I have done
>>>something wrong. The foremost characteristic that I have emphasized in
>>>training has always been cohesion. Every soldier, from the newest
>>>private
>>>up to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, should feel more willing
>>>to
>>>discuss problems with his/her first-line supervisor than taking it up
>>>with
>>>the media.
>>>
>>>And what branch of the service were you in, Mr. Arnold. For how long?
>>>
>>>I am not suggesting that you walk a mile in someon'e shoes before you
>>>criticise them. But you should, at minimum know how it feels to wear
>>>them.
>>>
>>>As far as combat tours are concerned, I served a year in Vietnam. I
>>>don't
>>>care to discuss that part of my life and I certainly will not discuss it
>>>here.
>>>
>>>Tom Hansen
>>>SFC, U.S. Army (Retired)
>>>
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