[Vision2020] Please Help our dying troops!

Sat, 19 Jul 2003 15:35:36 -0700

Mr. Arnold:

I take exception to your rude address of Tom Hansen, questioning his 
integrity and committment and calling him a hypocrite.  Even for an 
immature, clueless, bleeding heart like you, that is slimy.

You haven't the foggiest idea what you are talking about, and obviously 
haven't thought through calling a man who wore his country's uniform 
for 20 years, and put his life on the line for you and those like you, 
such demeaning things.

And stop whining, because the military is not responsible for your 
personal angst.  Talk about self-centered... now your "service in the 
military"  consists of being weaned and potty-trained while your father 
was at sea!  Do you think that you are the only child born while their 
father was deployed?  Millions of children born during World War II fit 
that description, and many thousands since.

Get a grip.  If you feel so strongly about how the military is being 
mistreated, try being part of the solution.  How about heading on down 
to the mall and raising your right hand for a four year tour?

  I didn't think so.

Until then, shut up.

Don Kaag

On Saturday, July 19, 2003, at 03:12 PM, Donovan Arnold wrote:

> Well Tom,
>
> Now you know how offended I feel about! Irritating isn't it? I have 
> every right to insult a man that insults our troops. I will do it 
> again, and again, and again. For someone that says he supports his 
> troops, you ain't doing much about it now are you? WAKE UP Mr. Hansen! 
> Are troops are getting picked off one by one everyday, they are 
> sitting ducks that can't do crap about it. Even the Centcom Commander 
> has stated the troops' needs are being ignored by higher members of 
> the military. The only reason you spent one year in Vietnam was 
> because people back in the states fought against it. They didn't say 
> "Oh what a bunch of pussies." Yet, you having been there, and won't 
> even write ONE letter to ONE person to ask that their commanders 
> address a few of their concerns. That is called hypocritical. I think 
> you should be ashamed.
> As for my service to the military, it was not the same as yours. But 
> it was none the less very costly. I never even knew my father until I 
> 12 years old. My father was gone all the time until then. I never got 
> to play ball with my daddy. He never taught me to ride a bike, or play 
> baseball. It was my older brother that took on this role. WHY? Because 
> my dad was gone all the time, on tours on ships. Sometimes, I would 
> not see my father for 6-8 months at a time. He was not even around 
> when I was born!
> When I see children all across this country suffer the same fate of a 
> mom or dad being gone for one-five years at a time, if they return at 
> all, for the sake of this stupid unjust war, if makes my blood boil. 
> Their is no reason men and women should be away from their spouses and 
> children for that long. Some children have both parents over there. 
> BOTH! No parents. What kind of crap is that Mr. Hansen?
> If you don't have the courage to say something for the sake of our 
> Troops or their families than I question your integrity and commitment 
> to the welfare of the American People. If you have, then thanks, don't 
> write back implying that you have not and ruffel my feathers. If you 
> don't write, to any authority, I have zero respect for you because you 
> are hypocrit to get advantages for people protesting here against the 
> unjust war you were in BUT will not do the same for others in the same 
> situation.
>
> Donovan J Arnold
>
>
>> From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen@moscow.com>
>> Reply-To: <thansen@moscow.com>
>> To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanarnold@hotmail.com>
>> CC: <vision2020@moscow.com>
>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Please Help our dying troops!
>> Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 14:32:09 -0700
>>
>> Mr. Arnold -
>>
>> You stated:
>>
>> "Are you such a man that nothing would cause you to speak out for the 
>> other
>> troops in your unit and take the reprimand?"
>>
>> How f***ing dare you even imply that I would not support my troops.
>>
>> I have gone to bat for troops within my squad (and later my platoon) 
>> several
>> times.  I have gone as far as putting my stripes on the Battalion
>> Commander's desk.  That is part of being an NCO.  I feel that if my 
>> troops
>> do not feel comfortable approaching me with a problem, then I have 
>> done
>> something wrong.  The foremost characteristic that I have emphasized 
>> in
>> training has always been cohesion.  Every soldier, from the newest 
>> private
>> up to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, should feel more 
>> willing to
>> discuss problems with his/her first-line supervisor than taking it up 
>> with
>> the media.
>>
>> And what branch of the service were you in, Mr. Arnold.  For how long?
>>
>> I am not suggesting that you walk a mile in someon'e shoes before you
>> criticise them.  But you should, at minimum know how it feels to wear 
>> them.
>>
>> As far as combat tours are concerned, I served a year in Vietnam.  I 
>> don't
>> care to discuss that part of my life and I certainly will not discuss 
>> it
>> here.
>>
>> Tom Hansen
>> SFC, U.S. Army (Retired)
>>
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