[Vision2020] Revisionist Workplace rules: Sexual harassment=sex

[Tim Lohrmann]

Ted,
   Your response illustrates perfectly what I'm
talking about and why I brought this up in the first
place.
   The Democrats claim to be feminists, are supported
wholeheartedly by most feminist groups, and quite
frankly without strong support from women's groups
they would not be competitive nationally.
   That's fine. However, when their values---here the
right of a woman in a subordinate employment role
alleging that she has been subjected to sexual demands
from a male who is her vast superior in the workplace
chain command(the classic sexual harassment
scenario)to have her claim taken seriously and fully
litigated--conflict with their own political
interests, the Democrats don't support it. And
further, they subject the female plaintiff to
name-calling such as Carville's classist "trailer park
trash" comment.
  Of course I don't know what actually happened.
  I just brought it up to point out this complete lack
of principle and consistency. 
   TL


--- Ted Moffett <ted_moffett@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Tim et. al.
> 
> You speak as though you know with certainty what
> happened between Clinton 
> and Paula Jones.  Why?
> Did you see a video tape, or hear an audio tape, of
> the incident?  Do you 
> know of any source that does have video or audio
> tapes of the incident?
> 
> Did you consult a psychic?
> 
> Paula Jones did have motivation to embellish her
> story.  And Clinton 
> certainly had motivation to lie if he did truly
> harass Paula Jones.  I don't 
> think either individual is a paragon of truth.
> 
> Your account of the ALLEGED sexual harassment is
> just a theory, one 
> interpretation, though often repeated in the media.
> 
> As we slide down the proverbial slippery muddy slope
> of civil rights 
> erosion, the ease with which people, based on
> repetitions of a story 
> alleging unlawful conduct, fueled by powerful
> emotions of bias, come to 
> believe such allegations are fact, without
> sufficient evidence, just makes 
> the slope even steeper and muddier.
> 
> Ted
> 
> 
> 
> >From: Tim Lohrmann <timlohr@yahoo.com>
> >To: vision2020@moscow.com
> >Subject: [Vision2020] Revisionist Workplace rules:
> Sexual harassment=sex
> >Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 11:20:28 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >Visionaries,
> >      It's amazing really. Almost everyone who
> >commented on my posts are in such denial that their
> >blow dried slick willie could have been not exactly
> >respectful of women.
> >    Bob Hoffman's and Joan Opyr's last posts were 
> good
> >examples.
> >    So for one last time, Folks, when Bill
> committed
> >perjury, he was NOT LYING ABOUT SEX or being a
> serial
> >adulterer he was lying in a deposition after he had
> >been named as the defendant in a SEXUAL HARASSMENT
> >SUIT. If you consider alleged sexual harassment(in
> >this case the chief exec. officer of a state
> sending
> >Ark State Troopers out to summon a young woman who
> was
> >in the employ of that state up to his room and
> >exposing himself demanding sexual gratification) as
> >comparable to just another sexual encounter then
> your
> >views on rights of women in the workplace may come
> >from the nineties--but the nineties of the last
> >century.
> >   That's why I brought this up. To point out the
> >complete lack of principle in both parties. And how
> it
> >is often transferred to the knee-jerk defenders of
> >them. IF a GOP Pres. had been named in a sexual
> >harassment suit the supposedly feminist minded
> >Democrat party and their feminist allies would have
> >been enraged and sputtering into any available
> >microphone about what a pig he was.
> >    BUT since he was who he was--linked to their
> own
> >political futures--heard next to nothing from the
> >demos and the feminists. Just as on this list, they
> >said it was JUST ABOUT SEX.
> >    Principles in present day two party politics?
> As an
> >elderly neighbor of mine used to "they ain't got
> >na'arn!"
> >    Later, TL
> >
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