Fw: FW: [Vision2020] More New Multi-family Units
Jon Kimberling
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Pam- I obtained the following information from the City. If you have =
further questions, I would suggest you start with Gary Riedner who can =
direct you to the most appropriate person to help.
Jon Kimberling
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Jon:
In response to your mail of yesterday regarding Pam Peterson's posting =
to Vision20/20, here is Tom's explanation. I would also note that the =
estimate of 1500 gallons comes from Dean Weyen, who indicated that he =
based his estimate on the fact that the well produces about 1000 =
gals/minute.
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Scallorn=20
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 12:56 AM
To: Gary Riedner
Subject: Re: FW: [Vision2020] More New Multi-family Units
All wells, of the size used in Moscow, must have a pump control valve =
that discharges the water from the pump during startup and shut down of =
the pump. Moscow operates its wells, in this regard much the same way as =
UI, WSU and the City of Pullman. The water pressure (water hammer) that =
is caused by not having theses vales in place will split the water main =
or do serious damage to customer piping. The air that is discharged on =
startup, if not released through these vales would be discharged in to =
the distribution system and sent to the customer tap and create =
problems.
In Moscow, each summer, we close valves on the Northwest Tank and take =
the tank out of service. This action allows us to gain more storage in =
the Vista tank and also reduces by half the number of start and stop =
cycles.
The water, when discharged does normally go down the storm drain. The =
water is high volume for 15 to 60 seconds, depending on the size of the =
well and therefore hard to put to beneficial use. We operate all of our =
pump control valves on a minimum setting, even at the risk of splitting =
fire sprinkler piping in the Palouse Mall.
Specifically, Well 8. We in the past had discharged the water back into =
the aquifer, via a permitted injection well. The injection well became =
inoperative, that is, it would not take the water volume and over =
flowed. We contacted the individual that farmers (probably not property =
owner) the area below the discharge of Well 8 and received permission to =
discharge the water directly to the drainage that runs through the area. =
As far as I know this permission does not exist in written form. The =
water from Well 8 has been discharged in one of these two manners, since =
the well was drilled in 1964 and is a requirement of DEQ.
If you need more information please let me know.
From: <peterson@moscow.com>
To: <vision2020@moscow.com>
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 10:54 PM
Subject: [Vision2020] More New Multi-family Units
Hi,
I'm feeling perplexed, not about the heavy stuff like the meaning of
life...but about life in Moscow. I can not understand why a major
property owner can be getting a subdivision plat for 20 new 12plexes
run through City Hill without the Water Department taking care of run
off of fresh water from Well #8 in the NW corner of Moscow. You
see every time that city well kicks on it pumps up about 1500 gallons
of pure fresh drinking water and then lets it drain down a ravine into
a storm drain below. The course that the 10,000 year old water
follows is exactly where Robert Peterson Jr. of Lewiston is having an
extension of Baker Street built as we speak. He's just going to
provide a culvert for the water as the City lets it slip through
unused!!
Another weird thing about this is that Peterson's subdivision plan is
still only 1/2 way through the preliminary stage of getting the City
Council's OK! So why is he being allowed to bury the fresh drinking
water before he even has on ok to go ahead with his unnessary high
density subdivision!? If anyone knows the public's input isn't needed
by the City please let me know! If you want to let the Coucil know
how you feel; they'll be a hearing on this plan on Monday night July 7
in the Council Chambers at 7:00. However, the P and Z hearing
started about 1.5 hours after it was advertised to start and some left
before the hearing even started! (Lawyers: Is it legal to start a
hearing at the time it was supposed to be without even mentioning it
to those present or for the record?)
Pam Peterson
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Pam- I obtained the following =
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City. If you have further questions, I would suggest you start with Gary =
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who can direct you to the most appropriate person to help.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jon Kimberling</FONT></DIV>
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class=3D046420515-02072003>In=20
response to your mail of yesterday regarding Pam Peterson's posting to=20
Vision20/20, here is Tom's explanation. I would also note that the =
estimate of=20
1500 gallons comes from Dean Weyen, who indicated that he based his =
estimate on=20
the fact that the well produces about 1000 =
gals/minute.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Tom Scallorn =
<BR><B>Sent:</B>=20
Tuesday, July 01, 2003 12:56 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Gary =
Riedner<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
Re: FW: [Vision2020] More New Multi-family Units<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>All =
wells,=20
of the size used in Moscow, must have a pump control valve that =
discharges the=20
water from the pump during startup and shut down of the pump. Moscow =
operates=20
its wells, in this regard much the same way as UI, WSU and the City of =
Pullman.=20
The water pressure (water hammer) that is caused by not having theses =
vales in=20
place will split the water main or do serious damage to customer piping. =
The air=20
that is discharged on startup, if not released through these vales would =
be=20
discharged in to the distribution system and sent to the customer tap =
and create=20
problems.<BR><BR>In Moscow, each summer, we close valves on the =
Northwest Tank=20
and take the tank out of service. This action allows us to gain more =
storage in=20
the Vista tank and also reduces by half the number of start and stop=20
cycles.<BR><BR>The water, when discharged does normally go down the =
storm drain.=20
The water is high volume for 15 to 60 seconds, depending on the size of =
the well=20
and therefore hard to put to beneficial use. We operate all of our pump =
control=20
valves on a minimum setting, even at the risk of splitting fire =
sprinkler piping=20
in the Palouse Mall.<BR><BR>Specifically, Well 8. We in the past had =
discharged=20
the water back into the aquifer, via a permitted injection well. The =
injection=20
well became inoperative, that is, it would not take the water volume and =
over=20
flowed. We contacted the individual that farmers (probably not property =
owner)=20
the area below the discharge of Well 8 and received permission to =
discharge the=20
water directly to the drainage that runs through the area. As far as I =
know this=20
permission does not exist in written form. The water from Well 8 has =
been=20
discharged in one of these two manners, since the well was drilled in =
1964 and=20
is a requirement of DEQ.<BR><BR>If you need more information please let =
me=20
know.<BR><BR>
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From: <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E =
href=3D"mailto:peterson@moscow.com"><peterson@moscow.com></A>
To: <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E =
href=3D"mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><vision2020@moscow.com></A>
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 10:54 PM
Subject: [Vision2020] More New Multi-family Units
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<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">Hi,
I'm feeling perplexed, not about the heavy stuff like the meaning of
life...but about life in Moscow. I can not understand why a major
property owner can be getting a subdivision plat for 20 new 12plexes
run through City Hill without the Water Department taking care of run
off of fresh water from Well #8 in the NW corner of Moscow. You
see every time that city well kicks on it pumps up about 1500 gallons
of pure fresh drinking water and then lets it drain down a ravine into
a storm drain below. The course that the 10,000 year old water
follows is exactly where Robert Peterson Jr. of Lewiston is having an
extension of Baker Street built as we speak. He's just going to
provide a culvert for the water as the City lets it slip through
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=3D""><!---->unused!!
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">Another weird thing about =
this is that Peterson's subdivision plan is
still only 1/2 way through the preliminary stage of getting the City
Council's OK! So why is he being allowed to bury the fresh drinking
water before he even has on ok to go ahead with his unnessary high
density subdivision!? If anyone knows the public's input isn't needed
by the City please let me know! If you want to let the Coucil know
how you feel; they'll be a hearing on this plan on Monday night July 7
in the Council Chambers at 7:00. However, the P and Z hearing
started about 1.5 hours after it was advertised to start and some left
before the hearing even started! (Lawyers: Is it legal to start a
hearing at the time it was supposed to be without even mentioning it
to those present or for the record?)
Pam Peterson
_____________________________________________________
List services made available by First Step Internet,
serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
<A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext =
href=3D"http://www.fsr.net">http://www.fsr.net</A>
<A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext =
href=3D"mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</A>
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