[Vision2020] Religious Diversity Education
Dale Courtney
dale@courtneys.us
Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:23:23 -0700
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Donovan,
Sigh. You really are a work. I have a feeling you only see what you want =
to see.=20
See my posts:=20
a.. http://lists2.fsr.net/pipermail/vision2020/2003-June/002890.html
b.. http://lists2.fsr.net/pipermail/vision2020/2003-June/002909.html
It was you who attributed that incorrect quote to me =
(http://lists2.fsr.net/pipermail/vision2020/2003-June/002905.html), but =
I never said "E Pluribus Unum" means "In God We Trust". You attributed =
that (incorrectly) to me.=20
I think I'm done conversing with you. You have hit the point where you =
are removing everything I say from context and then attributing things =
to me that I never said. That's the sign of frustration at losing an =
argument.=20
So I'm done with you.=20
Dale
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Donovan Arnold=20
To: dale@courtneys.us ; vision2020@moscow.com=20
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 21:02
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Religious Diversity Education
Dale,
I am really worried about the perception of my intelligence by someone =
that thinks "E Pluribus Unum" means "In God We Trust"
Thanks!
Donovan J Arnold
=20
>From: "Dale Courtney"=20
>To:=20
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Religious Diversity Education=20
>Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 19:42:53 -0700=20
>=20
>Wow, talk about rants.=20
>=20
>Hanson is screaming "DIVERSITY" and I comment that our coins have E =
Pluribus Unum on them and from that you move to "In God We Trust", that =
Dale thinks the words on our money is some kind of national motto, that =
I'd be mis-schooling my children if I homeschooled them, that I'm =
corrupted by the Religious Right, and that I'm a frightening educator.=20
>=20
>Donovan, please go take a valium and lie down. If you want to be =
respected for your arguments, you really must stop ranting and start =
making sense. This post does you intellectual injustice -- perhaps.=20
>Best,=20
>Dale=20
>=20
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: Donovan Arnold=20
> To: thansen@moscow.com ; dale@courtneys.us ; vision2020@moscow.com=20
> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 16:17=20
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Religious Diversity Education=20
>=20
>=20
> Tom,=20
>=20
> Dale was just trying to prove his point about the public educational =
system not working when he said "Guess we should change the motto on our =
money: E Pluribus Unum". He was implying that it meant "In God We Trust" =
and not knowing that it meant .=20
>=20
> He would also know that in 1863, US Treasury Secretary Chase =
approved the present motto, "In God We Trust" on the coin to show that =
The Union was "on the side of God" against slavery. It was not until the =
early 1900's that religious protestants pushed to have them placed back =
on the coins. Theodore Roosevelt, President at the time, was opposed to =
idea because he believed it was blasphemous to put God's name on =
something that was a worldly good. "Out of many, one", is the meaning of =
the Latin words "E Pluribus Unum". It was created as part of the =
official Seal of the United States. It was created by John Adam and =
Thomas Jefferson in 1776. The words "Out of many, one" symbolizes how =
the 13 colonies came together as one.=20
>=20
> It was not until 1956, in order to show the communists whose' side =
God was on, that President Eisenhower signed into law the official motto =
of the United States being "In God We Trust" instead of "E Pluribus =
Unum".=20
>=20
> So naturally, Dale being the way he is, believed that if "E Pluribus =
Unum" was the National Motto at one time, and "In God We Trust" being =
the National Motto later on, he assumed one meant the other.=20
>=20
> This is precisely, why so many Americans are against the idea of =
funding Home School. Clearly, if Dale was home schooling his children he =
would be teaching them wrong information on such simple and basic =
information as I learned in 7th grade.=20
>=20
> It also proves that Dale has been corrupted by the Religious Right =
in believing that the forefathers used God in the Constitution and were =
for the idea of God being the central theme of all America.=20
>=20
> What is even more frightening is that Dale is an educator.=20
>=20
> Donovan J Arnold=20
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<DIV>Donovan,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Sigh. You really <U>are</U> a work. I have a feeling you only see =
what you=20
want to see. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>See my posts: </DIV>
<UL>
<LI><A=20
=
href=3D"http://lists2.fsr.net/pipermail/vision2020/2003-June/002890.html"=
>http://lists2.fsr.net/pipermail/vision2020/2003-June/002890.html</A></LI=
>
<LI><A=20
=
href=3D"http://lists2.fsr.net/pipermail/vision2020/2003-June/002909.html"=
>http://lists2.fsr.net/pipermail/vision2020/2003-June/002909.html</A></LI=
></UL>
<DIV>It was <U>you</U> who attributed that incorrect quote to me (<A=20
href=3D"http://lists2.fsr.net/pipermail/vision2020/2003-June/002905.html"=
>http://lists2.fsr.net/pipermail/vision2020/2003-June/002905.html</A>),=20
but I <U>never</U> said "E Pluribus Unum" means "In God We Trust". =
<U>You</U>=20
attributed that (incorrectly) to me. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I think I'm done conversing with you. You have hit the point where =
you are=20
removing everything I say from context and then attributing things to me =
that I=20
never said. That's the sign of frustration at losing an argument. =
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>So I'm done with you. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Dale</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Ddonovanarnold@hotmail.com=20
href=3D"mailto:donovanarnold@hotmail.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Ddale@courtneys.us=20
href=3D"mailto:dale@courtneys.us">dale@courtneys.us</A> ; <A=20
title=3Dvision2020@moscow.com=20
href=3D"mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, June 29, 2003 =
21:02</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] =
Religious=20
Diversity Education</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P>Dale,</P>
<P>I am really worried about the perception of my intelligence by =
someone that=20
thinks "E Pluribus Unum" means "In God We Trust"</P></DIV>
<P>Thanks!</P>
<DIV></DIV>
<P>Donovan J Arnold</P>
<DIV></DIV>
<P><BR><BR> </P>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>From: "Dale Courtney" <DALE@COURTNEYS.US>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>To: <VISION2020@MOSCOW.COM>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Religious Diversity Education =
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 19:42:53 -0700=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>Wow, talk about rants.=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>Hanson is screaming "DIVERSITY" and I comment that our =
coins=20
have E Pluribus Unum on them and from that you move to "In God We =
Trust", that=20
Dale thinks the words on our money is some kind of national motto, =
that I'd be=20
mis-schooling my children if I homeschooled them, that I'm corrupted =
by the=20
Religious Right, and that I'm a frightening educator.=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>Donovan, please go take a valium and lie down. If you =
want to=20
be respected for your arguments, you really must stop ranting and =
start making=20
sense. This post does you intellectual injustice -- perhaps.=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>Best,=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>Dale=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> ----- Original Message -----=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> From: Donovan Arnold=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> To: thansen@moscow.com ; dale@courtneys.us ;=20
vision2020@moscow.com=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 16:17=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Religious Diversity =
Education=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> Tom,=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> Dale was just trying to prove his point about the =
public=20
educational system not working when he said "Guess we should change =
the motto=20
on our money: E Pluribus Unum". He was implying that it meant "In God =
We=20
Trust" and not knowing that it meant .=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> He would also know that in 1863, US Treasury Secretary =
Chase=20
approved the present motto, "In God We Trust" on the coin to show that =
The=20
Union was "on the side of God" against slavery. It was not until the =
early=20
1900's that religious protestants pushed to have them placed back on =
the=20
coins. Theodore Roosevelt, President at the time, was opposed to idea =
because=20
he believed it was blasphemous to put God's name on something that was =
a=20
worldly good. "Out of many, one", is the meaning of the Latin words "E =
Pluribus Unum". It was created as part of the official Seal of the =
United=20
States. It was created by John Adam and Thomas Jefferson in 1776. The =
words=20
"Out of many, one" symbolizes how the 13 colonies came together as =
one.=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> It was not until 1956, in order to show the communists =
whose'=20
side God was on, that President Eisenhower signed into law the =
official motto=20
of the United States being "In God We Trust" instead of "E Pluribus =
Unum".=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> So naturally, Dale being the way he is, believed that =
if "E=20
Pluribus Unum" was the National Motto at one time, and "In God We =
Trust" being=20
the National Motto later on, he assumed one meant the other.=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> This is precisely, why so many Americans are against =
the idea=20
of funding Home School. Clearly, if Dale was home schooling his =
children he=20
would be teaching them wrong information on such simple and basic =
information=20
as I learned in 7th grade.=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> It also proves that Dale has been corrupted by the =
Religious=20
Right in believing that the forefathers used God in the Constitution =
and were=20
for the idea of God being the central theme of all America.=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> What is even more frightening is that Dale is an =
educator.=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> Donovan J Arnold=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>=20
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<DIV></DIV>>=20
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<DIV></DIV>>=20
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<DIV></DIV>>=20
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<DIV></DIV>>=20
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