[Vision2020] Melynda Huskey Charges John Harrell Falsely Wit
h Plagrism
Thomas Hansen
tomh@FNA.fsn.uidaho.edu
Tue, 1 Jul 2003 15:23:34 -0700
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I visited the link that Mr. Harrell was so kind to provide. It is a Link to
the Free Arkansas Web. This webiste is so radically right wing that it
makes Ronald Reagan look like a closet liberal.
I feel that it is definitely safe to assume that articles and quotes taken
from that site would be extremely slanted and biased (to put it lightly).
Makes me proud to be a Democrat.
Please continue, John. I'm listening.
Tom Hansen
Moscow
-----Original Message-----
From: John Harrell [mailto:johnbharrell@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 2:49 PM
To: Melynda Huskey; vision2020@moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Melynda Huskey Charges John Harrell Falsely With
Plagrism
Hello Melynda Huskey,
I did a complex google search on some of the quotes and found this list,
thought you might
be interested in these also. Amazing what shows up when we "google."
"Ready, set, GOOGLE!" (attributed to Doug Wilson, on this board, you will
have to search for
the exact email and date - but since this isn't a college thesis - who
cares! - well, maybe Melynda.)
The following came from here: http://cpt_peewee.tripod.com/educat.htm
<http://cpt_peewee.tripod.com/educat.htm>
In 1918 Benjamin Kidd published in London a book, The Science of Power. On
page 309 he wrote: "Oh you blind leaders who seek to convert the world by
labored disputations. Step out of the way or the world must fling you aside.
GIVE US THE YOUNG. GIVE US THE YOUNG and we will create a new mind and a new
earth in a single generation."
Ten years later in 1928 Ross L. Finney, Ph. D., published in the United
States A Sociological Philosophy of Education. On page 118 Finney wrote,
"Everything depends on passing out the expert opinions of the social
scientists to the masses of the people; and the schools, particularly the
high schools, are the only adequate agency available for this function."
And on page 117 he had just said, "It is the business of teachers to run not
merely the school, but the world; and the world will never be truly
civilized until they assume that responsibility."
Another interesting quote comes from The Reconstruction of Religion by
Charles A. Ellwood, Ph. D., Professor of Sociology, University Of Missouri,
1923, page 177: "Human institutions, sociology shows, are in every case
learned adjustments. As such, they can be modified provided we can obtain
control of the learning process."
And the American Humanist Association understands the importance of
capturing the children for they have written: "In order to capture this
nation, one has to totally remove moral and spiritual values and absolutes
from the thinking of the child. The child has to think that there is no
standard of right and wrong, that truth is relative, and that diversity is
the only absolute to be gained."
Cheers!
John Harrell
Melynda Huskey <melyndah@wsu.edu> wrote:
At 10:09 AM 7/1/2003 -0700, John Harrell wrote:
>Wait a second, are you saying the following quotes are not true?
Dear John,
Let's try again. Neither of us has any idea whether those quotations (with
the exception of Hitler as quoted by William Shirer) are accurate, since
neither of us has seen the original sources of those quotations. Unless
you can tell me where Norman Thomas, Patricia Warren [sic--her name is
actually Patricia Nell Warren], or Ross Finny, Socialist Ph.D., said the
things attributed to them, I have no reason to believe that they
did. Certainly your thirdhand reproduction of the quotations does not
attest to their authenticity. Nor do the typos and grammatical errors so
painstakingly reproduced from the original essay.
So in fact, I'm saying that we have no way of knowing if the quotations are
real. Whether or not they are true is an imponderable.
Is anybody still wondering if government schools serve a purpose?
Fighting under the banner of pedantry,
Melynda Huskey
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<DIV><SPAN class=899501822-01072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
visited the link that Mr. Harrell was so kind to provide. It is a Link to
the Free Arkansas Web. This webiste is so radically right wing that it
makes Ronald Reagan look like a closet liberal.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=899501822-01072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=899501822-01072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I feel
that it is definitely safe to assume that articles and quotes taken from that
site would be extremely slanted and biased (to put it
lightly).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=899501822-01072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=899501822-01072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Makes
me proud to be a Democrat.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=899501822-01072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=899501822-01072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Please
continue, John. I'm listening.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=899501822-01072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=899501822-01072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Tom
Hansen</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=899501822-01072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Moscow</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> John Harrell
[mailto:johnbharrell@yahoo.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 01, 2003 2:49
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Melynda Huskey; vision2020@moscow.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[Vision2020] Melynda Huskey Charges John Harrell Falsely With
Plagrism<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Hello Melynda Huskey,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I did a complex google search on some of the quotes and found this list,
thought you might</DIV>
<DIV>be interested in these also. Amazing what shows up when we "google."
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>"Ready, set, GOOGLE!" (attributed to Doug Wilson, on this board, you will
have to search for</DIV>
<DIV>the exact email and date - but since this isn't a college thesis - who
cares! - well, maybe Melynda.)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The following came from here: <A
href="http://cpt_peewee.tripod.com/educat.htm">http://cpt_peewee.tripod.com/educat.htm</A></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>In 1918 Benjamin Kidd published in London a book, <I>The Science of
Power</I>. On page 309 he wrote: "Oh you blind leaders who seek to convert the
world by labored disputations. Step out of the way or the world must fling you
aside. GIVE US THE YOUNG. GIVE US THE YOUNG and we will create a new mind and
a new earth in a single generation."</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ten years later in 1928 Ross L. Finney, Ph. D., published in the
<I>United States A Sociological Philosophy of Education</I>. On page 118
Finney wrote, "Everything depends on passing out the expert opinions of the
social scientists to the masses of the people; and the schools, particularly
the high schools, are the only adequate agency available for this
function."</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>And on page 117 he had just said, "It is the business of teachers to run
not merely the school, but the world; and the world will never be truly
civilized until they assume that responsibility."</DIV>
<P align=justify>Another interesting quote comes from <I>The Reconstruction of
Religion</I> by Charles A. Ellwood, Ph. D., Professor of Sociology, University
Of Missouri, 1923, page 177: "Human institutions, sociology shows, are in
every case learned adjustments. As such, they can be modified provided we can
obtain control of the learning process."</P>
<P align=justify>And the American Humanist Association understands the
importance of capturing the children for they have written: "In order to
capture this nation, one has to totally remove moral and spiritual values and
absolutes from the thinking of the child. The child has to think that there is
no standard of right and wrong, that truth is relative, and that diversity is
the only absolute to be gained."</P>
<DIV>Cheers!</DIV>
<DIV>John Harrell</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>Melynda Huskey <melyndah@wsu.edu></I></B>
wrote:</DIV>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid; WIDTH: 100%">At
10:09 AM 7/1/2003 -0700, John Harrell wrote:<BR><BR>>Wait a second, are
you saying the following quotes are not true?<BR><BR>Dear John,<BR><BR>Let's
try again. Neither of us has any idea whether those quotations (with <BR>the
exception of Hitler as quoted by William Shirer) are accurate, since
<BR>neither of us has seen the original sources of those quotations. Unless
<BR>you can tell me where Norman Thomas, Patricia Warren [sic--her name is
<BR>actually Patricia Nell Warren], or Ross Finny, Socialist Ph.D., said the
<BR>things attributed to them, I have no reason to believe that they
<BR>did. Certainly your thirdhand reproduction of the quotations does not
<BR>attest to their authenticity. Nor do the typos and grammatical errors so
<BR>painstakingly reproduced from the original essay.<BR><BR>So in fact, I'm
saying that we have no way of knowing if the quotations are <B! R>real.
Whether or not they are true is an imponderable.<BR><BR>Is anybody still
wondering if government schools serve a purpose?<BR><BR>Fighting under the
banner of pedantry,<BR><BR>Melynda Huskey
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