[Vision2020] Get the facts right
John Moss
johnmoss@moscow.com
Tue, 5 Aug 2003 20:23:58 -0700
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Greetings, Visionaries:
This message is in response to the Vision2020 conversation between Mr. =
Arnold and Mr. Harrell, titled "Re: Constitutional Ban on Gay Marriage."
Mr. Arnold was arguing for the sanity of homosexual marriage, whereas =
Mr. Harrell was arguing for the sanity of traditional heterosexual =
marriage. I will leave the claims about the KKK, nazis and the =
confederate flag to Mr. Arnold and Mr. Harrell to sort out.
But what I hope to do here is bring into context some of Mr. Arnold's =
wild "sanity" claims about the insanity of traditional marriages:
MR. ARNOLD: "You [John Harrell] support a system of families that leads =
to teenage suicide. Sane or insane?"
JOURNAL of HOMOSEXUALITY. 2002;42(4):107-17, Suicide among homosexual =
youth by Lebson, M., University of Maryland: "The contemporary =
literature on homosexual youth and suicide risk are reviewed in order to =
delineate the incidence, development, causes/risk factors, and effects =
of suicidality among homosexual youth. In comparison to heterosexual =
youth, homosexual youths are more likely to attempt and complete =
suicide. They confront more challenges in identity development and face =
more risk factors for suicidality. In some cases, homosexual youths =
might use suicidal ideation as a means of rediscovering a will to live."
MR. ARNOLD: "You support a system that leads to 1.2 million abortions. =
Sane or insane?"
It is true that no matter how long two men engage in sexual intercourse, =
they will never conceive a child. Thus, they have no necessity to =
support the abortion industry. But does anyone think that the concept =
of traditional marriage that Mr. Harrell was trying to present includes =
the use of abortion?
MR. ARNOLD: "You support a system that spreads diseases that kills =
people slowly inch by inch. Sane or insane?"
Okay, I highly doubt Mr. Arnold has gone to medical school. I have =
never known a faithfully married heterosexual couple to contract an STD, =
let alone any of the many medical conditions that face homosexual men.
The real tragedy in this whole legality-of-homosexuality debate is the =
silence of the media towards the masses of medical literature on this =
subject. For those with a strong stomach, read on:
JOURNAL of ADOLESCENT HEALTH CARE. 1985 Jul;6(4):278-85. Medical =
problems of the homosexual adolescent by Owen WF Jr.: "Four general =
groups of conditions may be encountered in homosexually active men: =
classical sexually transmitted diseases (gonorrhea, infections with =
Chlamydia trachomatis, syphilis, herpes simplex infections, genital =
warts, pubic lice, scabies); enteric diseases (infections with Shigella =
species, Campylobacter jejuni, Entamoeba histolytica, Giardia lamblia, =
hepatitis A, hepatitis B, hepatitis non-A, non-B, and cytomegalovirus); =
trauma (fecal incontinence, hemorrhoids, anal fissure, foreign bodies, =
rectosigmoid tears, allergic proctitis, penile edema, chemical =
sinusitis, inhaled nitrite burns, and sexual assault of the male =
patient); and the acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS)."
PHARMACOTHERAPY. 1982 Jan-Feb;2(1):32-42. Enteric diseases of homosexual =
men, by Baker RW, Peppercorn MA: "Certain enteric ailments are =
particularly common among homosexual men. They are primarily infectious =
diseases and include not only such common venereal diseases as gonorrhea =
and syphilis but also infections not usually regarded as being sexually =
transmitted. Among the latter are shigellosis, salmonellosis, =
giardiasis, and amebiasis."
MR. ARNOLD: "You support a system that oppresses masses in the society =
that claims to give people equal rights for all. Sane or insane?"
Since when has illegalizing behavior that leads to rectitis, penile =
edema, anal fissure, fecal incontinence, rectosigmoid tears, and =
cambylobacter jejuni been oppressive? =20
Yes, the decision to engage in anal sex is a personal choice. But those =
who do must realize the physical consequences they will likely suffer. =
And in some countries, legal consequences.
Sorry if anyone was not braced for the rather grotesque medical =
documenation. But we're Americans. We know all about the gushy-gushy =
love presented on TV and in the movies. Shouldn't we have a grip on the =
reality of what happens deep in the bedrooms of those who are making =
personal choices to "love each other"?
I could not just sit idly by and let this debate go on, without bringing =
forward the much neglected and shoved-beneath-the-covers medical =
literature. It seemed like the only just thing to do for this forum, =
and those who are actually trying to sort out the good of the Moscow =
community.
Let's get the facts on the table. Now we can continue the debate on =
whether and which personal choices should be legislated.
John Moss
For a reference on any of the medical terms used above, please refer to =
the online version of the Merriam Webster Medical Dictionary at =
http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH?t=3D9276.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Donovan Arnold=20
To: johnbharrell@yahoo.com ; petew@completebbs.com ; =
vision2020@moscow.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: Constitutional Ban on Gay Marriage
Mr. Harrell,
Let us compare exactly what you define as "sane" and what I define as =
"sane" and we will see which is more sane.
You support a system of families that leads to teenage suicide. Sane =
or insane?
You support a system that leads to 1.2 million abortions. Sane or =
insane?
You support a system that oppresses masses in the society that claims =
to give people equal rights for all. Sane or insane?
You support a system that spreads diseases that kills people slowly =
inch by inch. Sane or insane?
You support bigotry and hatred of over 15 million Americans. Sane or =
insane?
You back the ideals and morals of the KKK, the Aryan Nations, and the =
Nazi Party. Sane or insane?
You back the destruction of 15 million Americans and don't wish to =
live the way you say to live. Sane or insane?
You ought to waving a flag of the Confederacy on your door step Mr. =
Harrell.
Celebrate Diversity not Hatred!
If fighting for the civil rights of law abiding, tax paying, decent =
Americans to be able to live in a way that doesn't harm another person =
is insane and perverse Mr. Harrell, then I am the most insane and =
perverse person you will ever meet. If fighting for the principles of =
the those that hate, judge, and condemn is sane and normalcy, then I =
guess you are far more normal and less perverse than I am. You sleep =
well while thousands of teens blow their brains out rather than deal =
with people like you. I sleep well knowing that, just maybe, I will give =
them a little glimer of hope that some people out in the cold cruel =
world do care about them, and think they should be given just a little =
bit of a chance at a decent fair life.
Donovan J Arnold
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>From: John Harrell=20
>To: Donovan Arnold , petew@completebbs.com, vision2020@moscow.com=20
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: Constitutional Ban on Gay Marriage=20
>Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:58:42 -0700 (PDT)=20
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>Mr. Donovan Arnold,=20
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>Yes, someone is crazy or insane here.=20
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>Let's look at it:=20
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>Normal, traditional families OR those that are trying to promote =
perversity.=20
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>Normalcy vs perversity.=20
>Normal or insane.=20
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>You want to say that everyone that doesn't "celebrate" perversity is =
crazy or insane.=20
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>Well, your promoting of perversity is what makes you insane, crazy, =
not normal.=20
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>Celebrate normalcy not insanity!=20
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>Cheers!=20
>John Harrell=20
>From: John Harrell=20
>To: Donovan Arnold , petew@completebbs.com, vision2020@moscow.com=20
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: Constitutional Ban on Gay Marriage=20
>Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:58:42 -0700 (PDT)=20
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>Mr. Donovan Arnold,=20
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>Yes, someone is crazy or insane here.=20
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>Let's look at it:=20
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>Normal, traditional families OR those that are trying to promote =
perversity.=20
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>Normalcy vs perversity.=20
>Normal or insane.=20
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>You want to say that everyone that doesn't "celebrate" perversity is =
crazy or insane.=20
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>Well, your promoting of perversity is what makes you insane, crazy, =
not normal.=20
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>Celebrate normalcy not insanity!=20
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>Cheers!=20
>John Harrell=20
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Visionaries:</o:p></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><o:p>This message is in response to the =
Vision2020=20
conversation between Mr. Arnold and Mr. Harrell, titled "Re: =
Constitutional Ban=20
on Gay Marriage."</o:p></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><o:p>Mr. Arnold was arguing for the =
sanity of=20
homosexual marriage, whereas Mr. Harrell was arguing for the sanity of=20
traditional heterosexual marriage. I will leave the claims about =
the KKK,=20
nazis and the confederate flag to Mr. Arnold and Mr. Harrell to sort=20
out.</o:p></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><o:p>But what I hope to do here is =
bring into=20
context some of Mr. Arnold's wild "sanity" claims about the insanity of=20
traditional marriages:</o:p></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><o:p>MR. ARNOLD: "You [John Harrell] =
support a=20
system of families that leads to teenage suicide. Sane or=20
insane?"</o:p></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><o:p>JOURNAL of HOMOSEXUALITY. =
2002;42(4):107-17,=20
<EM>Suicide among homosexual youth</EM> by Lebson, M., University of =
Maryland:=20
"The contemporary literature on homosexual youth and suicide risk are =
reviewed=20
in order to delineate the incidence, development, causes/risk factors, =
and=20
effects of suicidality among homosexual youth. In comparison to =
heterosexual=20
youth, homosexual youths are more likely to attempt and complete =
suicide. They=20
confront more challenges in identity development and face more risk =
factors for=20
suicidality. In some cases, homosexual youths might use suicidal =
ideation as a=20
means of rediscovering a will to live."</o:p></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><o:p>MR. ARNOLD: "You support a system =
that leads=20
to 1.2 million abortions. Sane or insane?"</o:p></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><o:p>It is true that no matter how long =
two men=20
engage in sexual intercourse, they will never conceive a child. =
Thus, they=20
have no necessity to support the abortion industry. But does =
anyone think=20
that the concept of traditional marriage that Mr. Harrell was trying to =
present=20
includes the use of abortion?</o:p></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><o:p>MR. ARNOLD: "You support a system =
that spreads=20
diseases that kills people slowly inch by inch. Sane or=20
insane?"</o:p></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><o:p>Okay, I highly doubt Mr. Arnold =
has gone to=20
medical school. I have never known a faithfully married =
heterosexual=20
couple to contract an STD, let alone any of the many medical conditions =
that=20
face homosexual men.</o:p></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><o:p>The real tragedy in this whole=20
legality-of-homosexuality debate is the silence of the media towards the =
masses=20
of medical literature on this subject. For those with a strong =
stomach,=20
read on:</o:p></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><o:p>JOURNAL of ADOLESCENT HEALTH CARE. =
1985=20
Jul;6(4):278-85. <EM>Medical problems of the homosexual adoles</EM>cent =
by Owen=20
WF Jr.: "Four general groups of conditions may be encountered in =
homosexually=20
active men: classical sexually transmitted diseases (gonorrhea, =
infections with=20
Chlamydia trachomatis, syphilis, herpes simplex infections, genital =
warts, pubic=20
lice, scabies); enteric diseases (infections with Shigella species,=20
Campylobacter jejuni, Entamoeba histolytica, Giardia lamblia, hepatitis =
A,=20
hepatitis B, hepatitis non-A, non-B, and cytomegalovirus); trauma (fecal =
incontinence, hemorrhoids, anal fissure, foreign bodies, rectosigmoid =
tears,=20
allergic proctitis, penile edema, chemical sinusitis, inhaled nitrite =
burns, and=20
sexual assault of the male patient); and the acquired immunodeficiency =
syndrome=20
(AIDS)."</o:p></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><o:p>PHARMACOTHERAPY. 1982 =
Jan-Feb;2(1):32-42.=20
<EM>Enteric diseases of homosexual men</EM>, by Baker RW, Peppercorn MA: =
"Certain enteric ailments are particularly common among homosexual men. =
They are=20
primarily infectious diseases and include not only such common venereal =
diseases=20
as gonorrhea and syphilis but also infections not usually regarded as =
being=20
sexually transmitted. Among the latter are shigellosis, salmonellosis,=20
giardiasis, and amebiasis."</o:p></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><o:p>MR. ARNOLD: "You support a system =
that=20
oppresses masses in the society that claims to give people equal rights =
for all.=20
Sane or insane?"</o:p></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><o:p>Since when has illegalizing =
behavior that=20
leads to rectitis, penile edema, anal fissure, fecal incontinence, =
rectosigmoid=20
tears, and cambylobacter jejuni been oppressive? =
</o:p></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><o:p>Yes, the decision to engage in =
anal sex is a=20
personal choice. But those who do must realize the physical =
consequences=20
they will likely suffer. And in some countries, legal=20
consequences.</o:p></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><o:p>Sorry if anyone was not braced for =
the rather=20
grotesque medical documenation. But we're Americans. We know =
all=20
about the gushy-gushy love presented on TV and in the movies. =
Shouldn't we=20
have a grip on the reality of what happens deep in the bedrooms of those =
who are=20
making personal choices to "love each other"?</o:p></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><o:p></o:p></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><o:p>I could not just sit idly by and =
let this=20
debate go on, without bringing forward the much neglected and=20
shoved-beneath-the-covers medical literature. It seemed like the =
only just=20
thing to do for this forum, and those who are actually trying =
to sort=20
out the good of the Moscow community.</o:p></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><o:p>Let's get the facts on the =
table. Now we=20
can continue the debate on whether and which personal choices should be=20
legislated.</o:p></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><o:p>John Moss</o:p></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV><FONT face=3DArial =
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size=3D3><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"><o:p>
<DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>For a reference on any of the =
medical terms=20
used above, please refer to the online version of the Merriam Webster =
Medical=20
Dictionary at </FONT><A =
href=3D"http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH?t=3D9276"><FONT=20
face=3DArial =
size=3D2>http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH?t=3D9276</FONT></A><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>.</FONT></DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Ddonovanarnold@hotmail.com=20
href=3D"mailto:donovanarnold@hotmail.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Djohnbharrell@yahoo.com=20
href=3D"mailto:johnbharrell@yahoo.com">johnbharrell@yahoo.com</A> ; <A =
title=3Dpetew@completebbs.com=20
href=3D"mailto:petew@completebbs.com">petew@completebbs.com</A> ; <A=20
title=3Dvision2020@moscow.com=20
href=3D"mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 05, 2003 =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Re:=20
Constitutional Ban on Gay Marriage</DIV>
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<DIV></DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] =
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Constitutional Ban on Gay Marriage </FONT>
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<DIV></DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>>Mr. Donovan Arnold, </FONT>
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<DIV></DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>>Let's look at it: </FONT>
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